WHERE ARE TURKS FROM?

Gok_totuk I hear you man,If somebody had a chance to live between diffrent Turks , he would see how they are different. Iranian were living with Turks for more than tousand years, We are not like west to call any moslem as Turk. In our Culture real turks are always mentioned with mongoliod features, I guess you are familiar with Hafiz,

Edited by shinai - 10-Feb-2007 at 17:50

If the two of you would look into the previous posts on this thread you could see all kinds of statements by various individuals about Turks having diverse ancestry. Theres even a heavy Mongol influence suggested by some. Not Chinese, Korean or Tungus but Mongol. Though partially true to some extent. Then there are the Caucasian Turks that have slanted eyes but very llittle else to compare with a Mongol. Now look back at my post and you could see that I made a pitch about this diversity. If there is any advertising going on it is for a few members to broaden their horizons and stop pideon holing a large ethnic group of people. 

Edited by Seko - 10-Feb-2007 at 16:45

Genetics and ethnicity are not the same thing.  Ethnicity is a cultural concept which is defined by shared characteristics in behaviour and habits of those belonging to that ethnic group.  Genes do not have a cultural identity.  This shouldnt even be up for debate since its so bloody obvious.

Originally posted by MASON1 I ALWAYS HEARD ABOUT TURKS AND OTTOMAN EMPIRE ETC BUT I DONT KNOW WHERE ARE THEY FROM LIKE WHO ARE THEIR ANCESTORS AND STUFF. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME.)

I'm suprised that noone has figuered out that this thread is flamebate.

the awnser to this should be easy and simple but it isn't

but this is how it should be


Original Turks come from South-west mongolia.(it wasn't called mongolia back then and no mongolians are not the ancestors of Turks)

Some claim the Huns were teh ancestors of teh Turks but soem say the Turks were the Metalworking slaves of the Xiongnu(Both theories could be right because The xiongnu empire was a confederation between mutiple ethnic groups and soem Tribes played a lower role in it)

The term Turk was first mention in the 6th Centurey by the k�k T�rks(wich means strong or on teh highest level) aka the Tujue(chinese)

The Kok Turks were teh first to use the name turk they conquered all the "Turkic" tribes who had there own name Truk became the collective name for them(this does not have anything to do with genetics)

Teh kok Turks later split in 2 The eastern Kok Turks(Dong Tujue) & The western kok Turks(Xi Tujue)

The Qagan was the supreme leader of the Empire & the eastern part, The leader of teh western part was second in command or under king called the Yabghu.

The eastern part was defeated by the Tang Dynasty and the Empire split completly.

The western Turks or the Oghuz established many kingdoms around the caspian.

The question was about the Ottomans Originally so.

The western kok Turks -> Oghuz->Turkmen(or Turcoman meaning muslim Turks)->Seljuks-> Anatolian Beyliks(after the collapse of teh seljuk Dynasty)->House of Osman(Originaly a beylik who simply grew and became a world empire.

- I never ever stated that there were never Iranic tribes in Central Asia

Originally posted by Bulldog - I never ever stated that there were never Iranic tribes in Central Asia - Only Kurds ride horses in Turkey? you see it's baseless comments like this which is why you think I'm insulting you. I'm not insulting you, I'm Correcting you there is a big difference.   Do you have any proof for this allegation? I've seen many Turks in Turkey who still ride horses, they have Cirit Competitions, it's a national sport and being promoted and effort is being put into bringing it back to the mainstream.   - Do you have access to Chinease documents? they have the oldest written records regarding Turks.   - A Turk doesn't need to know any other langauge other than his/her mother tongue to know his/her identity.

My friend i'm afraid this is true. Turks don't ride horses anymore in general compared with the Kurds. More Kurdish boy ride horses then Turkish boys.

Hey It's sad but it's true. WHY RIDE A HORSE IF YOU CAN RIDE A CAR   (has become the Turkish mentality)

Who rides horses in Europe? no to many(not included for sport)
Who rides horses in The middle east(lot more then in europe)

See Bulldog, this is a discussion forum. It's been a controversial arguement here 'how did Turkic people looked?'. We're not here to say 'Does it matter how people look or looked, if people don't enter your "classification" of how they "should" look why should they be excluded or looked down upon.' Also, it's only your own interpretation. Who looked down upon the people you mention?

Edited by gok_toruk - 12-Feb-2007 at 13:11

You know Seko, 'the two of us' have looked to previous posts. The fact is that, you have a misconception (racism) about our posts. Most people prefer wider eyes. There are lots of people making fun of Mongoloid people (it's a fact) and lots of other issues I can't bring. So, what the benefit is for me to believe they were Mongoloid? What the cause is to look down upon others?

Edited by gok_toruk - 12-Feb-2007 at 12:44

Originally posted by gok_toruk Hi xi_tujue. Turkmens are descendants of 9 Oghuz who were of eastern Kok Turks; not of the western. The western Oghuz, were 10 tribes (most probably Uighurs; they were commanded by 9 Oghuzes anyhow; althought they were originally the same geographical group) sent to defeat Hephtalites who escaped Turks and were living at Iranian borders.   So, althought they might have got relationship, but they're not of the same geographical group.

Gok_Toruk

Edited by Bulldog - 12-Feb-2007 at 20:06