Iran's Defence industry

Originally posted by Zagros The kowsar/c801 that hit the Israeli gunboat off lebanon was impervious to its electronic defenses according to sources at the time.

well, the isreali's claim they didn't switch on all of their defenses, if true it hasn't been tested yet. the second missile missed and hit another boat.

Originally posted by Zagros That is obviously BS, they were on combat operations and protocol will surely require it or they are highly incompetent. "switched on" lol, aren't the radars and defenses always on anyway?

  As far as they were concerned they weren't faced with a naval (or any other) anti-ship threat. Best practice, even during war games  would have all defenses on, but its not automatic and open to human error.

I know this is an Israeli assessment but, very plausible. Electronic countermeasures and the barak missiles  were on two minute standby mode.

In addition to Colonel K., a lieutenant colonel in naval intelligence sent a letter to the chief of naval intelligence following deliberations on July 14 July, and in this letter, he expressed similar warnings regarding the missile threat. But the officer noted in the letter that his warnings, which were not heeded, were based on intuition rather than information. The investigation has also revealed serious problems on the ship itself, particularly the fact that three of its four defense systems were not functioning. The ship's captain was not aware that the defense systems were down. An electronics officer with the rank of captain had placed both the electronic countermeasures system and the Barak anti-missile system on two-minute standby mode, arguing that he wanted to avoid their "fatigue," as he knew that the Spear was on a mission of long duration. The same officer had identified a problem with the ship's radar, which was functioning at only 50 percent capacity. In both cases, he failed to inform the ship's captain of the problems"

hareetz

ha-ha-ha-haaretz... 2 minute standby, right and what would it be on standby for? in case they detected an incoming? 2 minutes? LOL! I never believe any excuse when it comes to an atrocity or military humiliation commited by or inflicted on any military, least of all the IDF.

Edited by Zagros - 18-Feb-2007 at 17:57

The RAM is not battle proven though. There's many doubts it will be able to get a firing solution quick enough to fend of some of these lightning fast low flying anti ship missiles. I'm thinking the only way to defend against missiles in the future will probably be direct energy weapons. Like THUL or versions like it if its still being developed that is.

The Hy-1 and HY-2 anti ship missiles.

these are older than the ones posted earlier, nevertheless they are big and powerful if they make it through the defenses, but more importantly these a effective against oil tankers.

HY-1 ( CSS-N-1/CSS-C-2 Silkworm)

This is a development of the SY-1 which itself is a Chinese reversed engineered Russian Styx (P-15) missile. Iran may have received these obsolete missiles in the early1980's but i cant find any hard numbers.* It was the HY-2 that seems to be the more important missile in term of real numbers.

The HY-1 is the silkworm missile, while related missiles including the SY-1 and HY-2   also get called this in western sources (and even completely different ones like the C-802 in my last post), they actually have their own designations. I must also note; there seems to be a bit nore confusion between the HY-1 and 2 in particular. In some cases they get grouped up purposely and treated as one.

* Iran has been reported to have them in stock in some sources.

"While the SY-1 is a rather direct copy of the P-15 missile, the HY-1 features some improvements including a lengthened fuel tank for extended range and modified autopilot for better accuracy. The missile is 760mm longer than the SY-1 and its range has increased from 40km to 70km.

VARIANTS

Variants	Description
HY-1	Basic variant land-to-ship missile developed from the Soviet P-15 (SS-N-2 Styx)
HY-1J	Ship-to-ship variant for Type 051 DDG
HY-1JA	Improved ship-to-ship variant with a new radar seeker for better anti-jamming capability and accuracy
HY-1A	Land-to-ship variant based on the HY-1JA
HY-1B	Target drone for the test of HQ-2A SAM
HJ-1YB	Target drone for the test of HQ-61 SAM

MISSILE

The HY-1 is almost identical to the SY-1/SS-N-2 in appearance apart from the slightly longer missile body. The missile features a round nose accommodating the radar seeker, a pair of mid-mounted delta wings on the middle section of missile body, and three tail control surfaces. The missile is powered by a liquid-fuel rocket motor, with a solid rocket booster attached under the missile fuselage. The missile requires fairly complex maintenance due to its use of liquid rocket. The missile�s large warhead can sink or severely damage a 3,000t-class destroyer.

SPECIFICATIONS

Dimensions: Length: 6.60m; Diameter: 0.76m; Wingspan: 2.4m
Launch weight: 2,300kg
Warhead: 513kg shape charged high-explosive
Propulsion: One liquid rocket engine and one solid rocket booster
Max speed: Mach 0.8
Max range: 70km
Flight altitude: 100~300m (early models); <20m (later models)
Guidance: Inertial + active conical scanning terminal guidance radar (early models); or inertial + monopulse active radar (later models)
Single-hit probability: 70%"

Diagram from www.kimsoft.com

HY-2 (CSS-C-3 Seersucker) or C-201

"The missile was based on the HY-1 anti-ship missile with extended range and improved accuracy. Only land-based variant has been developed due to its large size. As well as serving with the PLA Navy Coastal Defence Force, the missile was exported to the Middle East in significant numbers in the 1980s."

Variants	Description
HY-2	Also known as C-201 in its export name. Basic variant radar-guidance land-to-ship missile developed from the HY-1 missile
HY-2A	IR-guidance variant
HY-2AII	Improved variant of the HY-2A (a more sensitive IR seeker and a higher precision radio altimeter and new auto-pilot to lower the level flight altitude)
HY-2B	Improved radar-guidance variant with a mono-pulse radar seeker replacing the original conical scanning radar
HY-2BII	Improved variant of the HY-2B with a newly designed radar seeker
C-201W	Extended-range variant powered by a turbojet engine replacing the original liquid-fuel rocket motor. Export only

The HY-2 is identical to the HY-1 but with a further stretched body. The missile features a round nose accommodating the radar seeker, a pair of mid-mounted delta wings on the middle section of missile body, and three tail control surfaces. The missile is powered by a liquid-fuel rocket motor, with a solid rocket booster attached under the missile fuselage.

The HY-2 is launched from land-based launcher and flies at an altitude of 1,000m during the initial stage of the flight. After the missile switched to the cruising mode, the flight altitude was reduced to 100~300m. During the final stage of the flight, the missile switched on its radar seeker and dives to an altitude of 8m until it hits the target.

Dimensions: Length: 7.48m; Diameter: 0.76m; Wingspan: 2.4m
Launch weight: 2,998kg
Warhead: 513kg shape charged high-explosive
Propulsion: One liquid rocket engine and one solid rocket booster
Max speed: Mach 0.8
Max range: 95~100km
Flight altitude: 100~300m (early models); <20m (later models)
Guidance: Inertial + active conical scanning terminal guidance radar (HY-2); or inertial + IR guidance (HY-2A); or inertial + monopulse active radar (HY-2B)
Single-shot hit probability: 90%

Sinodefence

Range of these missiles (HY-2) in the Persian gulf.

found this on a right wing blog.

what has numbers in Iran?
In early 1988 Iran claimed the capacity to manufacture HY-2s and other antiship cruise missiles indigenously. It is currently estimated that Iran has about 100 HY-2 missiles on eight to ten mobile missile launchers deployed on the north side of the Straits of Hormuz. Source

Number deployed about 310 HY-2 ship-launcher, 50 coastal defense installations. source

Deliveries look like the 300+ number might be more right as well as deployments on other island wiith the gulf. (Source)

..and bit more on the Iran's HY-X alleged capability.

"Bandar Abbas hosts a missile site overseen by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy Command. The Chinese built this facility in 1987. The facility assembles and extends the range of Silkworm missiles, modifies Seersucker missiles, and manufactures rockets. The Chinese may be assisting the IRGC in extending the range to 400km. Bandar Abbas also is believed to host a launch site with three to six launchers for the land-based Silkworm." Link

Edited by Hellios - 04-Mar-2007 at 00:06

I personaly think Iran can defend itself against Britain or Canada but, I doubt against the US. At first, Iran maybe make some trouble for US but US will be the winner at the end.( Becuase of its superior military) 

Not quite weak... The only thing that faced saddam when he invaded was a depleted chieftain battalion.

Edited by Hellios - 22-Feb-2007 at 00:55

Originally posted by Hellios Fajr rapid-fire cannon:

I'll try to get that info for you, Zagros.