Can T�rkiye Enter to northern ıraq??

My grading--irrelevant to many as it might be--of the discussion members so far:

-Feanor:
-Cent:
-Mortaza
-Day I:
-Bulldog:


Edited by konstantinius - 27-Jan-2007 at 17:28

Pkk views itself the Head and Barzani and Talabani are just tools according to them, they've openly said this before aswell, especially when the two were fighting.

Edited by Bulldog - 27-Jan-2007 at 17:46

hey Konstaninious i am grading your grading

And it is Turkey that has been the protector of Northern Iraq against Saddam especially after 1991. It is Turkey that supplies N. Iraq economically now. There are full Turkish products over there.

No, Iran supplies just as much, if not more. Barzani warned the Turkish that the times of threats and bullying is over, so I don't think he is in the pockets of Ankara like you claim.

Batu: I will tell you now, Turkey will not be so foolish as to invade Northern Iraq for many many good reasons, despite the delusional wet dreams of Turkish ultra-nationalists whose mouths water at the prospect of invading Iraq and killing Kurds.

It does not matter if 50,000 Turkish soldiers die? It will not matter if 50% of the Kurdish population dies they will never give in, you should find out what Peesh-marg means.

Originally posted by Batu Turkey may lose 50.000 but will not care.

Are you willing to be one of those or are you going to be the one encouraging others to go to their death while your safe at home?

30000 people died in Turkey, isnt that enough? Why more killing, how about compromise for a change?

Originally posted by apesako what 30000 what about 1.5 million armenians huh they been sloughtered. they didnt die. and what about pkk

I'm trying to say killing is not the answer, and since the topic isnt about Armenian's but rather Kurds, I mentioned the 30,000 dead because of the fighting between the government and the Kurds.

Batu, you're advocating a war that will cost thousands of lives.

the question is, will he sacrifice his own life?

Originally posted by Bulldog   p.s The_Game, what you getting bothered about, if Turkey doesn't enter Iran will, Iran's shelling Northern Iraq, plus Pejak terrorists are attacking Iran, the main seperatist movement in Iran is Kurdish.   Please wake-up, this isn't just Turkey's problem, Iran's views arn't to different.

Iran's situation with Kurds is not the same as Turkey's situation with Kurds. In Turkey, Kurds are fighting to stay Kurds, in Iran, the SUNNI Kurds (not all Kurds are sunni in Iran, some are Shia) are fighting mainly because the government in shia and oppresses sunni'ism. In Iran, the situation is totally different, and yes, many sunni kurds do advocate a Kurdish state, but many of them would also be happy living in a federalist democractic secular Iran (KDPI for example, which stands for Kurdish Democratic Party of Iran, they are seperatists but they have also shown that they are willing to live in an Iran where the leadership is free and fair)

Iran is not advocating any type of invasion of northern Iraq, however, Iran is playing its hands really well in my opinion. Iran is not making this a Kurdish-Iranian issue, its making this a seperatist-Iranian issue.

For example, the comments on this very talk page reflect the mentality that many Turks have, that Turkey will never become federalist and that Kurds should consider themselves Turks, (whether that means nationality wise of ethnically wise, thats in the air).

Iran will never invade and occupy northern Iraq, it has no reason to, however, it will make small operations against terrorist groups if needed.

Where as Iran will most likely befriend a Kurdish state, Turkey is most likely to invade it, the question is WHY.

Originally posted by Batu hey Konstaninious i am grading your grading

Yeah, well, I'm not surprised.