Can T�rkiye Enter to northern ıraq??

Originally posted by DayI Originally posted by TheGame Iran has shown no signs of aggression towards the Kurdish government in norther Iraq as far as I know. They (Iran) bombed some PKK camps near Iranian border with rockets.

I said Kurdish government, not the PKK. Iran has shown no signs of aggression against the autonomy of Norther Iraq's Kurdish region.

Originally posted by Batu hey TheGame      it is not a civil war that is between pkk and Turkey.its war on terror.those 30000 Turkish people are mostly civillians (doctors,teachers,lawyers).      Turkish army has 25 years of experience in mountain warfare and Turkey has better mountain commandos then the USA has.

Civil war is two factions within a nation fighting, and guessing by the huge number of casualties, what happened in Turkey was definetly civil war.


Edited by TheGame - 16-Jan-2007 at 17:06

Originally posted by Zagros DayI, professional soldier does not mean cool, hard, tough with the best training and equipment.  All it means is that these men are paid to be soldiers.  They are no longer Peshmerga.

Why i dont call them as soldier?

-they arent a part of official iraqi army, illegally soldiers or individual guards of barzani and talebani clans
-many of them are recruited from barzani and talebani clans and many of them arent trained, again i repeat many of them where recruited for only they could use a riffle + they are used as guards, "police corps" (= mehdi army).
-however what their training is, they are still called peshmerga by Kurdish people out there.
-they are being paid from the beginning, as i said before they where paid by Turkish government till late 90's. Being paid doesnt mean they are soldiers.
-A soldier wears official uniform, where are their uniforms? How could i distinguish them from terrorists? Having a AK in his hands and wearing a red turban make them feel soldiers

i am saying this again.its not a war between two nations.i dont kill my Kurdish neighbour.there is no defence line no battlefield this is just planned professional terrorism against Turkey(there are also good Kurdish Turk citizens:)).yes the casulities are too much but that doesnt mean its a war.PKK doesnt have a government.(there are many governments which supports PKK but its an other question to discuss)

DayI, you still have not said why sending Kurdish troops to Baghdad is a bad idea.

You told me I was wrong several times in saying that it was a good idea, so I want to know why it is a bad idea.

Originally posted by DayI  I think Bulldog should answer this because i didnt say anything like "bad" or (God forbid ) tryed to prove you wrong.

Woops, maybe it was bulldog! I'm not sure, too lazy to look back...

Originally posted by DayI What will peshmerga's do in bagdat? Will they clash with sunnie's - shi'as? Is there a possibility? I do think of yes. Kurds are also sunnie in Iraq, many of them are religious and they may be clash with mehdi army.

Well, thats what I'm saying. The Sunni Arabs' main complain is that the Shia's are gaining all the power.

The Kurds are both Sunni and they dont want any conflict with the Shia, therefore, it would make the situation much better to have Kurdish troops in Baghdad, along side American, Sunni, and Shia troops, to keep the peace.

I dont believe the Kurds would fight the Shia's, because they would have done so by now. The Kurds are more interested in building either a federalist Iraq or keeping their autonomy and possibly declaring independence.

Originally posted by Zagros If anyone attacks the Kurds in Baghdad it will be�Baathists and�Sunni extremists.

And im afraid it will happen, i think they want kurdish people also include into the clash of sunni-shia in bagdat. We have seen allready many complots there, so i wouldnt suprised if a carbomb hits a shia district it will blaimed upon the kurds... or something else.

weird map, specially what the hell is islamic sacred states.   Totally idiotic, even  name  itself is  idiotic.. How can a state become sacred..

Mortaza, that map is not worth your comments.

"if this scenario happens i think Turkey will enter Iraq... "

Of course they are. Just look at Kurdistan now, everyone is moving there, Christians, Turkmens and Arabs.