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    Posted: 12-Jan-2007 at 13:36
Could you name kingdoms from the South Asian lands? (And South-East Asian if it doesn't breach the set limits for this forum).

Thanks,

NB! I know many of the maior ones, like the Delhi Sultanate and the Chola Empire, the Gangga Negara (although I would like more information on this), the Gupta Empire and the Vijayanagara Empire.



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I think you are repeating the subject matter dealt with somewhere. Of course, you have added the safety rider in the bracket.
 
Before asking in a generalized manner like this, we can be specific.
 
There have been many International congresses held on this subject matter.
 
So when you mention "Kingdoms", it does not mean that we should deal with some 3000-5000 YBP events, as even today, though there have been few "Kingdoms", they "royal Kings" have been there SEA countries-Kingdoms.
 
I do not know what do you meant by "Delphi sultanate", was there anything like that? Or what exactly do you mean?
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Well, I consider 'Kingdom' to be a general term for a state during the Ancient-Medieval period if it wasn't a democracy. A better version could indeed be 'States'.

Well, the supposed Delhi Sultanate I have heard of was founded around 1206 by Qutb-ud-din Aybuk.
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The very interesting kingdoms of the Deccan in Middle Ages: Chalukya and Rashtrakuta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalukya_dynasty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtrakuta



And before they, during the classical times, the Satavahanas (althought around this there are less info) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satavahanas
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I think you are not clear about what you ask.

 

You mentioned "Delphi Sultanate", now you ask about "Delhi Sultanate" mentioning about qutub dynasty.

 

Then Ikki discovers Chalukyas, Rastrkutas, Sathavahanas.

 

So let us be specific, we cannot know what others "suppose" or imagine, when we deal with thiy type of serious discussion.

 

In indian context itself, there have been well documented studies about the dynasties, geneologies etc., of many Kingdoms.

 

Indian historical tradition always mention about "established 56 Kingdomes" on the earth.

 

Then, there has been "Chakravarti shetra" concept for the Indian kings ruling from India.



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You mentioned "Delphi Sultanate", now you ask about "Delhi Sultanate" mentioning about qutub dynasty.

Delphi was probably a typo. It isn't in the orginal post anymore.

There have been many kingdoms in South Asia, any particular time period your interested in? It'd be fairly tiresome to name all the kingdoms over a large period of history.

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Well, 500-1500 mostly.

It was indeed a typo...
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Originally posted by K. V. Ramakrishna Rao

I think you are not clear about what you ask.

 

You mentioned "Delphi Sultanate", now you ask about "Delhi Sultanate" mentioning about qutub dynasty.

 

Then Ikki discovers Chalukyas, Rastrkutas, Sathavahanas.

 

So let us be specific, we cannot know what others "suppose" or imagine, when we deal with thiy type of serious discussion.

 

In indian context itself, there have been well documented studies about the dynasties, geneologies etc., of many Kingdoms.

 

Indian historical tradition always mention about "established 56 Kingdomes" on the earth.

 

Then, there has been "Chakravarti shetra" concept for the Indian kings ruling from India.



Don't be complicated, all we understand the limitations of the word "kingdom" that used rider in the first message, but too that he was talking about political entities.
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Posts: 287 		  Quote K. V. Ramakrishna Rao Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jan-2007 at 20:57

There have been many books covering 500-1500 BCE and in fact for SEA, it is crucial, as Europeans start coming and interfering in all aspects, of course, with due respect to them for teaching us the research methdology.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jan-2007 at 01:41
No doubt the Puranas give the list 56 kingdoms, which were sutuated inside and outside India.
 
Whether all followed the concept of "Cakravarti skhetra" concept? Coming to Indian dynasties, many times, the popular dynasties do not have inscriptions or the inscriptional Kingdoms may nopt be populaer. How it could happend?
 
How the Kingdoms situated outside India acted and reacted with India.
 
For exampole take the case of Silendras and Cholas in India and outside. And allso, the Chinese way of dealing with them in India and outside! Were Cholas actually aware of the Chinese movements?
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Please, don't take it into another of these soon-to-be-closed discussions.
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Off the top of my head, in approximately chronological order from about 500BC up to the Moghul conquest:


Magadha
Maurya
Satavahanas
Songa Empire
Indo-Greek kingdom
Kushans
Gupta Empire
Harsha's empire
Pratihara
Rashtrakuts
Chalukya
Chola
Pandya
Pallava
Delhi Sultanate
Bahmanid Sultanate
Bijapur
Ahmednagar
Berar
Golconda
Bidar
Hoysala
Kakatiya
Vijayanagar
Bengal
Gujarat

There's a lot of other states in this period, but these are probably the most important. You could also look at regional states such as Nepal, Kashmir, the states of Sri Lanka, Arakan (in Burma, but in the Indian sphere  of affairs)...
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Indo-Greek kingdom - would this be the Greco-Bactrian state?

Thanks, you have been of much help.
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I think he meant Gandhara, although if you include Afghanistan Bactria would also be true (for several centuries earlier as well)
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Magadha is name of a place / desha whereas Maurya is recognized as a dynasty.

Satavahanas come under Andhras.

Songa Empire - It must be "Sunga".

Indo-Greek kingdom - not definite, as Bacterians, Schythians, Huns, Sakas etc., overlap.

Kushans - origins not known, but covered under Sakas also.
Gupta Empire - Guptas have been shrinked by Fleet.

Harsha's empire - interestingly survived between two empires.
Pratihara - then, Silendras, Palas, and so on.
 
Rashtrakuts, Chalukya, Chola, Pandya, Pallava, Cheras (you missed) come under Dravida category.
Delhi Sultanate - in terms of Lodis, khiljis, slave etc., how woulkd be treated? Moghuls? Marathas?

Bahmanid Sultanate, Bijapur, Ahmednagar, Berar, Golconda, Bidar all acted tohether and fought with Vijayanagar Empire.

Hoysala, Kakatiya, Vijayanagar and the above are also mentioned as Deccan Kingdoms.
Of course, Bengal, Gujarat there.
 
What about North-eastern Kingdoms, Rajputs, Kashmir?
 
Incidentally, Kalhana mentions many Kingdoms.


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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

I think he meant Gandhara, although if you include Afghanistan Bactria would also be true (for several centuries earlier as well)
 
I mean the greek state in India whose foundatiuons were laid by Menander I.
 
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Hello Rider,

 

MY Article about the Gurjar Empire might help as it provided almost 100% details about the North Indian Kingdoms between 1st to 9th Century AD.

 
 
Regards
 
Ashok Harsana


Edited by ashokharsana - 25-Jan-2007 at 10:28
The Real Ranas, The Real Emperors of India. http://ashokharsana.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=gurjars
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Why then, it has been started?
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