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What if Marx & Engels had never seen the light of day?

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    Posted: 26-Dec-2004 at 15:03
What if nor Marx nor Engels had ever existed? Would've Communism ever appeared? Was it inevitable?
An nescite quantilla sapientia mundus regatur?
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There were some other socialist-like theoreticists before and during Marx and Engels and times. Plus the conditions of labourers during the industrial revolution were so appaling, that sooner or later a communist-like ideology would have appeared anyway.
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  Quote Komnenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Dec-2004 at 16:30

Im not so sure what you mean, communism as a political theory or communism as the political system of the Soviet-Union and other so-called communist states. As Mixcoatl rightly states, Marx and Engels werent by far the first ones who developed the idea of a communist, in its true sense of an egalitarian and non-authoritarian, society as the ideal state of human community, in one form or another this utopia has existed throughout history, many with religious undertones as  the English Levellers of the 17th century, or others being the immediate predecessors like the group around  Babeuf during the French Revolution. I think the idea that all men, and women, are equal and should share the wealth of a society that they helped to create, appears immediately, where this isnt the case, in other words, wherever people are politically and economically oppressed.

The question if this can be realized, is besides the point, but brings us to the next question. Would the Soviet-Union ever have appeared without Marx and Engels?

Instrumental in establishing the Soviet-Union and in consequence all the other communist states were Lenin and later Stalin, and if their  practical policies had anything in common with the political theories of Marx and Engels in other but the name, must surely be open to debate. I don't believe they had.



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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Dec-2004 at 12:17

No doubt about it.
Even if Marx and/or Engels would never exist, the communism would be developed eventually.

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  Quote chessrook1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Dec-2004 at 22:18

There already was socialism in the past way before Marx and Engels. Jesus Christ and Buddha and their early followers and early communities were socialist like. Give most of your money to the poor and sick get rid of all wants and social classes. That's one of their beliefs.



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  Quote Infidel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Dec-2004 at 10:03
And I was told it was one of Brezhnev's too!
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Dec-2004 at 15:03

When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?

 

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  Quote Infidel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2005 at 17:16
Originally posted by gcle2003

When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?

What?

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  Quote ulrich von hutten Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Dec-2005 at 17:40
than the city of karl-marx -stadt (now chemnitz in east-germany)
wouldn't have exist.


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