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    Posted: 26-Dec-2004 at 00:08

I don't mean to consider which languages are the best for writing poetry in, since you would need to be equally familiar with all languages.  But which ones have, so far, yielded the best poetryPoetry is important in cultural identity and in expressing the beauty of language, philosophy, emotion.

Persian, Latin, Italian, Classical Greek, English, Japanese, Arabic, Chinese, and Hebrew come to mind.

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  Quote Infidel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Dec-2004 at 11:39

"Por isso tomo pio, um remdio. Sou um convalescente do momento, moro no rs-do-cho do pensamento e ver passar a vida faz-me tdio." - Fernando Pessoa.

Portuguese rules!

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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Dec-2004 at 12:13

I don't see how you can leave out French, German, Spanish and Russian.

Since that rounds out all the languages I've ever studied, I think I conclude that great poetry can be written in any language whatsoever.

You could check out some of my favourites at www.cleverley.org/translations .

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  Quote Ikki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jan-2005 at 18:33

I read (past) english, french, italian and spanish poetry

For "light" and beauty love poetry, french sound very good, then, italian.

I like english, but always sound cold.

For a more deep poetry, spanish is very good, french and italian sound trifling.

 

"Caminante, son tus huellas
el camino, y nada ms;
caminante, no hay camino,
se hace camino al andar,


Al andar se hace el camino,
y al volver la vista atrs
se ve la senda que nunca
se ha de volver a pisar.


Caminante, no hay camino,
sino estelas en la mar. "

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"Wanderer, your footsteps are
the road, and nothing more;
wanderer, there is no road,
the road is made by walking.
 
By walking one makes the road,
and upon glancing behind
one sees the path
that never will be trod again.
 
Wanderer, there is no road--
Only wakes upon the sea."

Antonio Machado (1875-1939)

 

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  Quote Teup Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 05:47

Originally posted by Faran

Persian, Latin, Italian, Classical Greek, English, Japanese, Arabic, Chinese, and Hebrew come to mind.

Old Norse, of course! How could you forget... Got a thick book crammed with this stuff at my shelf. Really a shame i can't really read it, but at least they say it's very sophisticated 

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 11:25

ARABIC is Poetry

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that was for whom can read Arabic

 



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  Quote lennel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 12:02

Norman influence gave many nouns, like pork, beef, dame.  But the majority of words created in the last 600 yrs are from graeco-latin origin.  Modern English has hundreds of thousands of words, whereas English during the Norman times was far more limited.  Along with this most suffixes/prefixes are latin/greek.  Shakespeare alone invented scores of words and essentially all of them were from classic origin, or derived from it.

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 01:41

Azimuth, Does the second distich say that the taste of death for a worthless thing is the same as for an important thing?

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 07:22
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

Azimuth, Does the second distich say that the taste of death for a worthless thing is the same as for an important thing?

 

yes

 

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 08:44
 In my opinion, the best language for peotry, which you can read and understand the easiest! You should not say anything about language which you know nothing.
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 09:18

A poem by Rumi:

Yar mara, Qar mara, Eshgh-e jegar khar mara
Yar thoee, Qar thoee, Khajeh negahdar mara

Nuh thoee, Ruh thoee, Fateh-o maftuh thoee
Sin-e mashruh thoee, Pard-e asrar mara

Nur thoee, Sur thoee, Dolat-e mansur thoee
Morq ko tur thoee, Khasteh be menqar mara

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  Quote Teup Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 10:52
Hmm i wonder.. isn't it so polysynthetic languages (like arabic dialects) have an advantage when it comes to poetry because phrases are more likely to rime (due to suf- and circumfixes)? At least it should make quite a difference some way I think..
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 12:17

some persian poetry i know

 

Lafz Lafz Arabas

Irani Shukaras

Turkey Hunaras

Hamash Goh Kharas

 

i dont know what all means

 

 

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 12:59
It is obvious that you don't know what that means  It says Arabic, Persian and Turkish languages are donkey-dungs!
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 14:20

ops

i always thought that it meant that

the pronounciation  Arabic

The iranian is Sugar

The turkish is flower

and the rest of languages are nothing

no?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 00:42
Except the last line which says all three are ..., yes!
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 05:51

hmmm

then i must forgot one word befor the word ( Hamash ), it should meant the others or the rest are .......

anyway it is offensive and i didnt know it

 

 

 

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  Quote Turk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jan-2005 at 13:01
I got this off a Chinese fortune cookie -

"If you wish to end a relationship with your woman, recite to her a poem in Farsi"
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  Quote Capt. Lubber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 08:54
I don't particularly like poetry. But most things sound better if it is a language you don't understand. So for me that includes most languages except for scandinavian, english and spanish
Loke, Attila, the grete conqueror,
Deyde in his sleep, with shame and dishonour,
Bleedinge ay at the nose in dronkenesse,
A captayin shoulde live in sobrenesse
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2005 at 20:32
if you can read Chinese, Chinese word are really fascinating, 3 words can create a better rhythm and convey the meaning so clearly while in English, that takes some time.

For the above sentence, ___________ is enough.
And listening to these poem songs from Tang and Sung really gets my emotional...
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