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    Posted: 22-Dec-2006 at 01:17
Taliban line up the heavy artillery

By Syed Saleem Shahzad
Asia Times Online
December 21, 2006

KARACHI - The battle lines have been drawn on the Afghan chessboard for what is likely to be a decisive confrontation between foreign forces and the Taliban-led tribal resistance. Both sides have fine-tuned their strategies, have engaged their pawns, and are poised for action.

The Taliban's efforts are focused on next spring, after the harsh winter weather eases, while North Atlantic Treaty Organization

(NATO) forces aim to "nip this evil in the bud", using the province of Kandahar as their strategic base.

From there, they want to contain and encircle the Taliban in their bases all over southwestern Afghanistan, according to a source familiar with NATO who spoke to Asia Times Online on condition of anonymity.

Central to this plan is the use of air power, even though the Taliban have come down from the mountains and entrenched themselves in civilian populations in carefully chosen pockets. They also have a headquarters in the rugged mountains of Baghran Valley in Helmand province.

To date, the Taliban have mostly engaged their pawns against NATO, with key leaders based safely in the tribal belt between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Once the final push starts, though, they will move to the fringes of the southwestern Pashtun heartland, Baghran, in preparation for the removal of President Hamid Karzai's administration in Kabul.

However, NATO spokesman Mark Laity does not agree with this assessment. "Their [Taliban] intent was to hold the Panjwayee [district of Kandahar province] as a necessary part of their plan to encircle or take Kandahar city. In Helmand [province] they certainly intended to take Sangin, Musa Qala and Nowzad in the north and Garmsir in the south, with the desire to disrupt and isolate Lashkhar Gah [the capital of Helmand province]. In all of these respects, they failed," Laity told Asia Times Online.

The fact remains, though, that while Taliban and NATO forces have confronted each other in various districts, there has been no serious Taliban move for a mass mobilization - as stated, all of the top Taliban commanders are tucked away in the border area with Pakistan, or even in that country.

Maulana Jalaluddin Haqqani, head of the Taliban's military operations in Afghanistan, is in the Pakistani tribal area of North Waziristan - a virtually independent region in Taliban hands. The one-legged former Taliban intelligence chief Mullah Dadullah is also in Pakistani territory, shuttling between South Waziristan tribal area and border areas near Pakistan's Balochistan province and southwestern Afghanistan.

Haqqani and Dadullah, on the instructions of Taliban leader Mullah Omar, are talking to tribespeople in southwestern and southeastern Afghanistan to smooth the path for the Taliban taking control. The Taliban are pledging to share everything with the tribes, including land, power and resources.

This process is still ongoing and, according to people close to the Taliban, once it is completed the Taliban will call for a full mobilization of troops and Mullah Omar will go to Baghran to command them personally in the push to Kandahar and ultimately Kabul.

Legendary former Afghan premier and mujahideen Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who operates near the Pakistani side of the Afghan Kunar Valley, has become involved in his own agenda, causing a bone of contention between the Taliban and Hekmatyar's Hizb-e-Islami Afghanistan (HIA). Hekmatyar has been considered an important player in the Taliban-led insurgency.

Hekmatyar has steadily regrouped his men, from within Parliament to the mountain vastness of Afghanistan. Most of the bureaucracy in southeastern Afghanistan, including Paktia, Paktika, Khost, Kunar, Nanaghar, Logar and Ghazni, is dominated by former HIA members who remain in contact with Hekmatyar.

At the same time, Hekmatyar has successfully rallied his guerrillas around Jalalabad, Khost, Kunar and Paktia. However, Hekmatyar's ties with such people as Gul Agha Sherzai, the governor of Nangarhar, and previous association with Karzai stop him adopting an all-out offensive. (Hekmatyar has on several occasions been wooed by Karzai to help break the Afghan deadlock.)

It appears that Hekmatyar, well aware that in the eventuality of an armed national uprising or Taliban victory he will play second fiddle to Mullah Omar, is jockeying to be in a position to help foreign forces achieve a safe exit from Afghanistan, in return for which he would want the leading political role.

In these circumstances, once an uprising began, Hekmatyar would be in a straight race with Mullah Omar to reach Kabul and seize control of it.

In the beginning there was Baghran

Once all issues between tribal leaders and the Taliban have been hammered out, Mullah Omar will move to Baghran, the northernmost district in Helmand province. It is the last Pashtun-speaking district in the southwest before one gets to the neighboring Persian-speaking western provinces, such as Ghor.

Baghran has always been an important hub for the Taliban, serving as a rallying point to mend differences between Tajik commanders and pro-Taliban Pashtun commanders.

After the fall of the Taliban in 2001, Baghran remained one of the few strongholds of the Taliban and all top commanders, includingMullah Omar, took refuge in its mountains. Local lore has it that the Taliban leader escaped to the region on a 50cc motorbike. (This correspondent can vouch for the fact that traveling on such a vehicle would be a challenge, given the precipitous passes and rough tracks.)

The Taliban have systematically been killing Kabul-backed administrators in Baghran. After a fourth high-profile assassination, NATO sent in extra troops to the area backed by air strikes. After heavy fighting, there has been relative calm for six months.

The Taliban claimed to have killed hundreds of British troops in this engagement, while sustaining minimal casualties themselves. However, NATO's Laity dismissed this as "ridiculous", saying that the International Security Assistance Force acknowledged all deaths. "I think you can readily see that if such an incident did happen, then it could not possibly be hidden in the UK and would have massive political repercussions," he told Asia Times Online.

During the 10-year Soviet occupation of Afghanistan starting in 1979, Soviet troops withdrew from Baghran in the early days and never regained a foothold there, and it became the headquarters of the mujahideen. Its isolated and inhospitable terrain makes it a perfect base, and it has many escape routes through the mountain passes.

Deep in the valley

"Are you mad going to Baghran, the center of the Taliban who behave like morons?" That was the candid cry of the hotel owner when he heard of my intentions. His hotel was hardly half an hour from Baghran. The next few days in Baghran would confirm how correct the hotelier was.

In the last week of October, the Taliban appointed young Matiullah Agha as district olaswal (administrator) to run affairs in conjunction with the shura (council) of tribal elders and former mujahideen commanders who had fought against the Soviets.

We were guests of a respected elder of Baghran, Khuda-i-Rahim, who lost both arms and a leg fighting the Soviets. He is also known by the respectful name of Haji Lala. Lala is a rich man, owning huge tracts of land where the only cash crop, as all over Helmand, is poppy. Lala spent time in the United States in the 1980s and remembers how his host, a State Department official, taught him a few words of English.

Other respected former commanders live in this small Taliban "fiefdom", but they have hardly any say now that the Taliban have taken power. This is one of the major problems with the Taliban movement - it does not readily embrace the old guard of the resistance, despite all their cooperation, and instead prefers to stick with young lads no matter how incompetent they might be.

One such is Agha, who has never been a commander and is only in his early 20s. Two years ago, on his way from Peshawar, Pakistan, to southwestern Afghanistan, he was arrested in Kandahar. After just two and a half hours of interrogation he revealed the details of a Taliban hideout. The Afghan National Army conducted successful raids and arrested dozens of Taliban.

Despite this, on the strength of his madrassa (seminary) education, the youth was given the job of administrator of a Taliban-controlled district.

The tribal structure of the district allows it to be self-sufficient through community contributions. Donated money is used primarily to maintain water canals, while the Taliban burned down the school and there is no hospital in the area. Policing and courts are run under the Taliban's brand of Islam, with salaries paid from octroi (toll) collections imposed on travelers and transport vehicles.

This grassroots Taliban control is spreading. "Previously, the Americans used to attack us from Ghor province, but now that we have successfully re-established pockets in Ghor, we do not have any threat of attack by land, though the possibility of aerial attacks is still there," said Moulvi Hamidullah, a member of the Taliban shura and a military commander.

How the little kingdom of heaven works

We were scheduled to meet members of the shura and the olaswal, Agha. As we passed through a small village in a valley, we noticed a few dozen men positioned on the rooftops with mortars, machine-guns, rocket-propelled-grenade launchers and rifles. We soon realized it was our reception party. The men were Hamidullah's, and they were posing for photographs.

After a briefing about Taliban rule in Baghran, Hamidullah called Agha on his satellite phone and I overheard him say, "A guest is waiting and he speaks English." The only English I had used was while taking some shots of the shura when I had used an English description.

A few hours passed and we did not hear from Agha. Hamidullah called again and then gathered all his men to one side and began discussing something in earnest. (We later learned that when Hamidullah proudly said that his guest spoke English, Agha had wrongly interpreted it and thought that an attack was imminent - the Taliban speak in code on their satellite phones.)

Late in the afternoon, a band of armed Taliban police arrived in a van. Our host immediately spoke to them, and after half an hour they approached us. They were apologizing repeatedly to Hamidullah, as they had come to arrest us on the instructions of Agha. Hamidullah had clarified that we were guests who wanted to interview Agha.

We were then driven to the district headquarters of Baghran to meet with Agha, who was now prepared to meet us after Hamidullah's clarification, but he needed to do some face-saving.

He was short with a small frame, not physically imposing, yet he was in charge of battle-hardened war veterans. Agha hails from the Pir Ali Zai tribe and people of the area had serious reservations about him using the title "Agha", which is usually reserved for the descendants of the Holy Prophet in Afghan society.

Agha was camera-shy, according to a strict interpretation of Islam, although he eventually allowed his turban-draped face to be pictured. Other commanders were happy to be pictured, although they also covered their faces, but for a different reason. Should they be injured, they would have to go to a hospital in one of the bigger cities in Afghanistan or Pakistan, and they didn't want to be recognized.

In the midst of our meeting, Agha suddenly stood up and dialed a number on his phone and handed it over to my colleague, Qamar Yousufzai. A voice asked where we were from and which publication we represented, and then insisted that we needed to produce a letter from Taliban quarters in Pakistan. Until we could do that, the Taliban could not know whether we were journalists or spies sent by the Afghan government. The Taliban deal swiftly with spies - after a brief "trial", their heads are cut off.

Now a new debate started between our host, Lala, and Agha, with the latter insisting that he would arrest us and Lala saying he would have to go through him before doing so. This standoff was to last 45 hours.

Lala was enraged by Agha's actions and told his friend Hamidullah to tell the Taliban that even if Mullah Omar sent instructions to surrender his guests, he would not, and would resist them with arms. The next day we were sent to a hiding place and told we would be provided with a vehicle to get us out of Baghran. But the Taliban were on to this and posted men all around with instructions to shoot at any suspicious vehicles.

Ultimately it was agreed by all that our case would be handed over to the "court" on the Friday, so we were presented in a local mosque.

An elderly man with a white beard was the qazi (judge) . When he saw us, he smiled at the British aliens-turned-Pakistanis.

Lala made it quite clear before the proceedings that "from one corner to another corner of Baghran there is nobody who would dare to block me, and it is only because the elders asked us to present my guests in court that I am here".

Agha then gave his ever-changing version of events: "We have a lot of respect for Haji Lala and his friends, but we were informed by some anonymous sources that they are spies of the Afghan government, and we needed to investigate. If the elders of the area, whom we respect a lot, intervene in our functions, then what is the need of this administration? Will they remove us and take the power in their own hands?"

The judge noted that we were Pakistanis and Muslims - not by any definition British or alien - but since somebody had created a doubt with information that we were spies, the matter should be checked. In the meantime, we could not leave Baghran and would stay as "guests" for one night.

Agha immediately protested and asked the qazi to give him as much time as he required for his investigations. So the qazi altered his decision, saying that we would be guests until the investigations were over and would surrender all our belongings to the Taliban for the investigations.

Our cameras, mobile telephones, books and dairies were taken away, and even our toiletries examined. This was too much for Qamar Yousufzai, who launched into a tirade against the Taliban, accusing them of being "savages". His intensity brought a smile to their faces.

We were concerned that the Taliban would now have a grudge against the elders, whom they wanted to be subservient, and we were caught in the middle.

Fortunately, Lala allowed me to use his phone and, after a series of calls between my contacts in Pakistan and the Taliban, we were allowed to go free - they finally accepted that we were journalists.

This experience can hardly be termed pleasant, but it gave us the opportunity to see first-hand how the tribal system really works when it comes up against movements such as the Taliban - and what life in a remote area is like.

The Taliban talk of a new kingdom on Earth. There is a long way to go in villages where people mix earth with their bread to make it go further, don't have schools or hospitals, and have no running water and only mud huts to protect themselves from the numbing cold and stifling heat. Add to this the threat of kidnapping or worse from warlords, the harsh justice of the Taliban, or bombs falling from the sky, and the kingdom is a long way off.

But the battle for the "kingdom" has already begun. Come spring, and Baghran could emerge as the epicenter of a defining struggle in yet another bloody chapter of the country's tortuous history.

Note

News of our run-in with the Taliban spread instantly from the local community to Kandahar. Unfortunately, there was a bitter twist: some journalist told the Associated Press of the US (whose report was then broadcast on Afghan Radio) that we had been disowned by all media organizations and therefore we were spies. This appeared to be professional jealousy, in that we - non-Pashtuns with no background in right-wing Islamic ideology - had managed to reach the very heart of Taliban country.

Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief.


    

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Syed Saleem Shahzad is a very credible reporter.
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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2006 at 15:01
Yeah, Syed S. Shahzad has been following the Talibs for quite some time.  He reported that the Talibs were hiding in Pakistan and that the supposed last 'peace' between the tribals and the military is and was a joke.  In fact since the last 'cease-fire' attacks in Afghanistan have increased ten fold.
 
 
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Without 'severe' border controls this situation can not be avoided. Their are close to 4.5 million afghan origin pashtuns in Pakistan and are frequently involved in Afghanistan. The cease-fire can not be the source for deducing the increase in number of attacks(If indeed that is the case).
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See if you can spot any problems with this kind of border control.

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Well corruption has always been rampant. The problem is and was with the local economy in the border regions which comprises mostly of drug and black market smuggling, along with Taliban recruitment.

The International Crisis Group wrote a nice piece on finding solutions to the problem:

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"To acces the executive summary in Frech, please click here."
 
In Frech.LOL
 
To be honest there is nothing ground breaking here, all they are saying is
"The only sustainable way of dealing with the challenges of militancy, governance and extremism in FATA is through the rule of law and an extension of civil and political rights. Instead, the government has reinforced administrative and legal structures that undermine the state and spur anarchy." 
 
..get rid of this deeply traditional society who's part of culture it is to give refuge to whoever asks for it. Bring it into the 21st century and bring these lands under your military and judicial control. Substitute local representation with governmental control structures. IT IS A LOT EASIER SAID THAN DONE.
 
The tribals are very particular about the kind of infrastructure they want, because thay are all too well aware of the trappings that go along with it.  What they want is hospitals and electrcity and gas and not neccesarily military grade roads.LOL 
 
My recommendations to the CRISIS group would be to ask the coalition to match the military expenditure with Infrastructure and development expenditure in Afghanistan. The problem will be controlled in no less than two years, If not then dream on. The half baked attempt to pacify the country with some thirty thousand troops is not going to achieve anything and only prolong the suffering of all those involved, including their own.
 
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Well how are they going to bring development and infrastructure when the roads, schools, and hospitals are being blown up by Taliban crossing the border from Pakistan?

The first step is what the Crisis group already outlined:

"a) disarming militants, shutting down terrorist training camps and ending the flow of money and weapons to and recruitment and training by Taliban and other foreign or local militants on Pakistani territory;"

Something Pakistan has intentionally failed to do in the past. There are already planning to mine parts of the border, (which is already fenced and monitored) in certain parts), again a silly attempt without attacking the main issue -> Terrorists training camps and fundamentalist madrassas all over the frontier led and sympathized by the Fundamaentalist Islamic parties within Pakistan. Pakistan's plan of mining the border is like putting rocks into an ant colony -> simple barriers easily traversed.

Even worse, is that corruption is rampant so most likely the Taliban will know which parts are mined because of their links with the military in the region. We already know that it will not effect the drug smugglers because they already have the border police on their payroll, so in actuality, it will agitate Pashtun tribes on the border who cross regularly for family gatherings, and Pashtun nomads who cross regularly for trade with villages, and/or water/grazing rights.
    

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Originally posted by Afghanan

Well how are they going to bring development and infrastructure when the roads, schools, and hospitals are being blown up by Taliban crossing the border from Pakistan?

The first step is what the Crisis group already outlined:

"a) disarming militants, shutting down terrorist training camps and ending the flow of money and weapons to and recruitment and training by Taliban and other foreign or local militants on Pakistani territory;"

Something Pakistan has intentionally failed to do in the past. There are already planning to mine parts of the border, (which is already fenced and monitored) in certain parts), again a silly attempt without attacking the main issue -> Terrorists training camps and fundamentalist madrassas all over the frontier led and sympathized by the Fundamaentalist Islamic parties within Pakistan. Pakistan's plan of mining the border is like putting rocks into an ant colony -> simple barriers easily traversed.

Even worse, is that corruption is rampant so most likely the Taliban will know which parts are mined because of their links with the military in the region. We already know that it will not effect the drug smugglers because they already have the border police on their payroll, so in actuality, it will agitate Pashtun tribes on the border who cross regularly for family gatherings, and Pashtun nomads who cross regularly for trade with villages, and/or water/grazing rights.
    
 
LOL, Simple!, increase ur security presence at least five fold. If you use air transport for your own security it is a bit rich to start on the build to blow project. Somebody is wearing their undies over their trousers. Then match that expenditure with infrastructure development to get an economy up and running.
 
Look at any country that is not a banana republic and you will notice that in threat scenarios it fences and mines it's border. Either these taliban have wings or the rest of the world is stupid. I have already told you before that it will do more than agitation, but you have to die to go to heaven, you cant have it both ways. I have also mentioned that it also involves the tribals being dragged by their forelocks into the modern world of taxes and local govt. What that actually means is that expanding the theater of quagmire.
 
Do you remember i once asked you for the longest period of peace in Afghan history. I think it is time to rethink y is Afghan society so prone to violence.
 
BTW, what roads and hospitals were being built.
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1. Your post made absolutely no sense except your reiteration of the last question. The answer is not the time but how peace unfolds in Afghanistan. Tribes will always war b/w themselves, but infrastructure was being built from the time of Abdur Rahman Khan. The Kabul-Kandahar road is a target of attack almost everyday. THe roads leading from Herat to Kandahar also are under attack. The local hospitals are abandoned because the Taliban threatened the doctors for treating anyone from the government. Teachers male and female are murdered and their schools burned down constantly.

2. How are they going to produce infrastructure when the Taliban are crossing over killing teachers, and bombing reconstruction teams? Again, you can plug the anthole form the Afghanistan side with 500,000 troops, but they will just make another hole somewhere else. To tackle this problem you have to hit the source, and the sources for money, training, and indoctrination is in Pakistan.    BTW, they are not going to fence the entire border, only certain regions that are already fenced and monitored by the same corrupt military that allow the Taliban to freely cross w/o interference.
    
    

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Originally posted by Afghanan

1. Your post made absolutely no sense except your reiteration of the last question. The answer is not the time but how peace unfolds in Afghanistan. Tribes will always war b/w themselves, but infrastructure was being built from the time of Abdur Rahman Khan. The Kabul-Kandahar road is a target of attack almost everyday. THe roads leading from Herat to Kandahar also are under attack. The local hospitals are abandoned because the Taliban threatened the doctors for treating anyone from the government. Teachers male and female are murdered and their schools burned down constantly.

2. How are they going to produce infrastructure when the Taliban are crossing over killing teachers, and bombing reconstruction teams? Again, you can plug the anthole form the Afghanistan side with 500,000 troops, but they will just make another hole somewhere else. To tackle this problem you have to hit the source, and the sources for money, training, and indoctrination is in Pakistan.    BTW, they are not going to fence the entire border, only certain regions that are already fenced and monitored by the same corrupt military that allow the Taliban to freely cross w/o interference.
    
    
 
If u r going to limit your view to the above then Good luck. Reiteration is an ominous sign for one to limit his participation. So i guess this is my last post in this thread. Peace.
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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Dec-2006 at 13:27
Its because you have no answer.

The fact of the matter is Pakistan needs to draw the line on their support for the Taliban. If they continue to beat around the bush, this problem will end up resolving itself in a way not beneficial to anyone.


    

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From Islamabad's POV, Taliban is the best solution to the whole Afghan mess. They are, 1) not communist, 2) Not Tajik, 3) Not Pakthun nationalists.

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There is nothing wrong with being Tajik, again Pakistan's aim is to create bigger divides along ethnic lines and that is not beneficial to anyone.

Pakistan needs to worry about their own country and their own problems. If Pakistan likes the Taliban so much, they should let them take over their nation and see how their people in Islamabad and Karachi like being under Taliban rule.
    

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Taliban, the best solution? Was that a joke? And what is wrong with Tajiks? I thought Afghanistan was also their country?
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From Islamabad's POV, Taliban is the best solution to the whole Afghan mess. They are, 1) not communist, 2) Not Tajik, 3) Not Pakthun nationalists.
 
Afan, the 'warlord system' isn't that great - you should agree since you're a lawyer! Wink 


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Taliban, the best solution? Was that a joke? And what is wrong with Tajiks? I thought Afghanistan was also their country?


Unfortuantely it's not a joke. Pakistan has always had an agenda to split Afghanistan along ethnic lines, they did so during the Soviet War when the ISI gave more arms and money to the Pashtun commanders and virtually nothing to the Tajik commanders. The Northern Alliance comprised mostly of Tajiks, was Pro-India and anti-Pakistan.

Furthermore, Pakistan funded militarily, ideologically, logistically, and monetarily the Taliban since it's inception. After 9/11 they changed colors like a chameleon and officially stopped supporting them. When they realized that the Taliban now turned on them and started attacking Pakistan. Many Pashtun and Islamic Fundamentalist parties starting denounce Musharraf. The response by Pakistan was assassination of prominent Taliban commander, Nek Muhammad with help from the US. The Pakistani army also bombed a few madrassas and killed scores of civilians and students. There are still many elements within the Taliban who do not trust Pakistan.

The ISI knew they screwed up again and struck another 'ceasefire' deal with the Pakistani Taliban that they would support them in Afghanistan so long as they dont attack Pakistan. Sayed Salim Shahzad reported the exact happenning in Asia Times a few months ago.

That official 'cease-fire' was a joke in the making and basically gave the Pakistani Taliban free-range in Afghanistan and suicide car bombs, attacks on schools & teachers, roads, and UN funded hospitals increased substantially in the south of the country and the capital Kabul.

Everybody and their grandma knows that Pakistan still supports the Taliban.
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Islamabad already is run by the "Taliban". As for Karachi, no one has ever been able to run it, so good luck to the Talibs.

Secondly, Pakistan lacks many of the main prequisits for Talibans, you know little things like a society ruined by 30 years of war etc, etc.
 
Finally, ISI works for Pakistan's interests. Afghanan can say whatever he like, but nations always see to their interests, (as Afghanistan did many times under Zahir Shah), and not to morality. The present situation is finally getting back to something like desirable. The Talibs now more or less control South Afghanistan. The Wesetern Border may well be settling down. We can now mine the border and generally tell Kabul to take a hike. We can now get down to more important matters, like invading teaching Lahoris a lesson.
 
God, Musharraf has played them all very well. Whenever he says 80,000 troops I have to laugh. The fact that they are from XI and XII Corps, who are the reserve corps and thus always are on the Wesetrn Border. Some deployment.
 
 
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Originally posted by Sparten

Islamabad already is run by the "Taliban". As for Karachi, no one has ever been able to run it, so good luck to the Talibs.
Secondly, Pakistan lacks many of the main prequisits for Talibans, you know little things like a society ruined by 30 years of war etc, etc.
 
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Malizai spot on as usual, good points Sparten. I think the whole mining exercise has a couple of extra benefits for Pakistan, but so be it, Karzai brought it on himself.
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