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    Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 16:13

This is a cool thread, Hellios, I definitely approve! Lol.

 

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 18:41
All cultures had art of a sexual nature, however not all of that art was meant in an erotic sense.  Much of it was ritual and figured into fertility rights.
 

Erotica may date back to Stone Age

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Friday, 15 April 2005

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Clay images of bulls, like this one from South America, are used to symbolise fertility and luck. But humans may have been using sexual imagery since the Stone Age (Image: iStockphoto)

German archaeologists have found what they believe is Europe's earliest known clay figure of a male, along with a female figure that they think once was attached to the male in a sexual position.

Together, the two finds could represent the earliest 3D depiction of a copulating human couple, according to the archaeological team.

Clay is difficult to date accurately, the team indicate, but markings on the objects, their style and the place in which they were found suggest the figures date to 5200 BC.

"We don't really know what function sexual representations really had in those times," says Dr Harald Stuble, a scientist with Germany's National Office for Archaeology in Dresden, who led the excavation.

"But we know that they were colonising early farmers, and we expect that fertility rites must have had an overall importance."

The findings will be published in an upcoming issue of the German archaeological journal Germania.

Stuble and his colleagues unearthed the artefacts while excavating a site called Zschernitz, just north of Leipzig.

The team is responsible for researching sites marked for pipeline and highway projects. Zschernitz was being prepared for the installation of a gas pipeline when the remains of the ancient figures were found.

Stuble says two fragments make up the male figurine, which he has nicknamed Adonis, since early female figurines often are called "Venus."

He says the name suits the male figure "very well, looking at the explicit representation of the male gender".

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The first fragment attributed to the male shows an enlarged, erect penis and the scrotum at the front, both of which are bent slightly forward. The back of this same object shows clearly defined buttocks.

"The butt cheeks are decorated by two rows of triangular motifs, which are typical for the Linearbandkeramic culture, which is the oldest Neolithic [late Stone Age] culture in central Europe and dates between 5500 and 4900 BC," Stuble says.

The second fragment shows part of the male's shoulder and a section of his chest. The shoulder area indicates his now-missing head must have been bent backwards.

The second figurine, which was excavated nearby one month later, would have belonged to a 25 to 28-centimetre long statuette, as for the male.

Only the buttocks, legs and knees remain, all of which suggest that it was meant to represent a female.

Markings similar to those found on the male exist on the back of the legs, and the object's position suggests the female once could have been situated directly in front of the male.

"The [female] figure is much more bent forward, almost 90, and could not stand by itself nor be seated," says Stuble.

He theorised that the couple could have been performing a ritual dance, but that a sexual scene was much more likely.

"There will never be a positive proof for either of the two explanations, just arguments for and against," he explains. "But first of all, the penis is erected and secondly the figurines show different angles of bending forward."

It's not erotica
Emeritus Professor Jens Lning from the University of Frankfurt, who is an expert on prehistory, disagrees with this interpretation.

He believes Neolithic statuettes should be regarded as representing individuals, and not couples.

Most all other Neolithic figures, in fact, do clearly show separate men and women, often with exaggerated sexual characteristics, suggesting that the figures probably were related to fertility rituals.

Most of these objects were excavated in what are now Iraq, Turkey and Jordan.

Aside from the impressive age and rarity in Europe of the Zschernitz objects, Stuble believes they are important because they "are not stylistic, but realistic".

In future, he hopes they will inspire historians and anthropologists to investigate how people in the Stone Age viewed sex. He suggests that sex in prehistoric times may not have been a taboo subject, as it is even today in many parts of the world.

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 18:48
 
 
 
 
                          
 
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Most cultures didn't view sex or the body in the same way that modern cultures do.
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  Quote Batu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Feb-2007 at 14:49
  This is from Anatolia,the god of fertility.

Edited by Batu - 04-Feb-2007 at 14:52
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Feb-2007 at 23:08
Originally posted by Batu

  This is from Anatolia,the god of fertility.
 
 
Or alot of wishful thinking on the part of an ordinary guy.Big%20smileLOLBig%20smile
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  Quote Batu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Feb-2007 at 11:28
hey Red Clay,dont mess with the god of fertility;he is naughty,horny,rutted.his revenge would be frightening but full of love Smile
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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2007 at 09:51
There was no description with this.
 


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  Quote Dawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2007 at 23:46
Originally posted by Hellios

Are we allowed posting & discussing examples of ancient (authentic) erotic art if it's not too explicit?
 
 
I see nothing wrong with it . Not pornography - it's historical art. Go for it.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2007 at 10:16
This is really interesting topic, and the Kajuraho Temples in India are a heritage site and the site is abound with foreign tourists, the reason is mindblowing sculptures of love, science and art .....just google it and your mind will blow away with the sort of images that your eyes you are goign to witness.....
The 9th to 12th century temples of Khajuraho is the evidences of the architectural geniuses during the times of Chandela dynasty. Situated in Madhya Pradesh, India, Khajuraho oozes with passion, eroticism, dance and music and other finesses of creative arts depicted in sculpture and images of the temples. The 85 temples were built in North Indian 'Nagara' style of architecture, though only 20 of them have survived the rough weather conditions over long years of time. The two richer distinctive groups of temples are the Western and Eastern group of temples.







  These are only just glimpses, all the fanatasies that a modern people have almost find their expressions in Kajuraho .
  Just google and you'll know Why I said that....
      It can be said that it is the capital and unreachable capital or ancient erotic art, with a philosophy of its existence..
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  Quote Tyranos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Oct-2007 at 10:47
 I seen these over at Rotten.com:
 
 
Nostalgic Pan-Asian Kink
 

 
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Tanum rock carvings, 1800-500BC. Effectively destroying the ridiculous idea that humans procreated only doggy-style until recently.



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I saw a similar art in charlisangels adult sex resort during my last summer vacations in the Caribbean.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Apr-2010 at 21:06
Actually, the above site, and subsequent posts, do not really do the subject matter justice!

Sex, and drugs, with no videotape, were "part an parcel" of most all religions! And, no one can really deny it!

It seems, that in religious literature, one either is blessed for doing it, or reads about doing it, or is defamed for doing it!

And "it" comes most naturally to most humans!

Therefore, there has existed a long list of phallic symbols in both the extreem past and also within the near past! And, as ying is to yang, there has also existed the same symbols of female genetalia!

Old Catholic churches, and other religious sites, are oft found to contain representations of both!

It is only within the last 300 years that certain things have become "verbotten!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

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Seers burnt 'herbs' and inhaled the smoke, saw 'things', then spoke of what they saw as 'prophesy', and guys believed them.

Edited by Shield-of-Dardania - 12-Apr-2010 at 03:43
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2010 at 18:25
No one, it seems ever read the last site I provided above, I.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

Can anyone see any chance that this group might also represent that group we now call Spartans?

A little research by some of you might well reveal some weird connections?

Such as; "The Thebans of the Sacred Band held their ground and nearly all 300 fell where they stood beside their last commander, Theagenes. Plutarch records that Philip II, on encountering the corpses "heaped one upon another", understanding who they were, exclaimed,

'Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.'"

The number of the dead (close to 300) might well suggest a connection?
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When the Jade Stem gets strong and fierce, it must have a Jade Orifice to give it some peace. When the Jade Orifice goes soft and anxious, it needs a Jade Stem to soothe the storms. So said an ancient sage.Approve
 
It's just the law of nature.
 
Thus man and woman flourished together, and their offspring grew into the multitudes.


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  Quote DreamWeaver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2010 at 09:24
Originally posted by opuslola

No one, it seems ever read the last site I provided above, I.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

Can anyone see any chance that this group might also represent that group we now call Spartans?

A little research by some of you might well reveal some weird connections?

Such as; "The Thebans of the Sacred Band held their ground and nearly all 300 fell where they stood beside their last commander, Theagenes. Plutarch records that Philip II, on encountering the corpses "heaped one upon another", understanding who they were, exclaimed,

'Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.'"

The number of the dead (close to 300) might well suggest a connection?
Regards,
 
 
 
 
Or it could just be a literary trope.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Aug-2010 at 16:51
How easily you dismiss some evidence and how smoothly you readily assimilate others!

But, perhaps one of the greatest collections of erotic art, has been mostly hidden in Italy for the last 100 or so years.

This is the erotic collection of the area destroyed by the eruption of Vesuvius many years ago, the words "many years" is left to ones perception however!

This collection has recently (last few years) been released for general public viewing. There is no guess as to how much of it was destroyed!, on purpose!
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Erotic art in Pompeii and Herculaneum was discovered in the ancient cities around the bay of Naples (particularly of Pompeii and Herculaneum) after extensive excavations began in the 18th century. The city was found to be full of erotic art and frescoes, symbols, and inscriptions regarded by its excavators as pornographic. Even many recovered household items had a sexual theme. The ubiquity of such imagery and items indicates that the sexual mores of the ancient Roman culture of the time were much more liberal than most present-day cultures, although much of what might seem to us to be erotic imagery (eg oversized phalluses) could arguably be fertility-imagery. This clash of cultures led to an unknown number of discoveries being hidden away again. For example, a wall fresco which depicted Priapus, the ancient god of sex and fertility, with his extremely enlarged penis, was covered with plaster (and, as Schefold explains (p. 134), even the older reproduction below was locked away "out of prudishness" and only opened on request) and only rediscovered in 1998 due to rainfal
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