some questions about greece

thank you guys for answering my Questions

i just have some comments

so the modern Greek use the same letters as the Ancient Greek?

what made these old languges change? as far as i know there was always greek poeple in Greece, some empire forced them to speak differently? 

what i meant is , was the Roman Empire good to Greece or not ? for example do they teach the students that the Roman were strangers? ( i mean the early Romans)

Yes, the very same alphabet. Only the way they pronounce it, it's different from the Ancient Greek pronounciation (also know as Erasmian Pronounciation) adopted in almost western schools.

For instance, words that are still the same, like "poietes" (poet), should be read literally "poy-eh-tehs" in ancient greek, but nowadays it's just "pee-ee-tees". 

yes it is very intersting

but what made the pronouciation change that much?

i wonder if the chinese are talking in the way as the ancient times

No, it depends on what period and what regions you're talking about.

No.  Erasmian, for all practical purposes, is Latin pronounciation applied to Greek.  Reconstructed Ancient Greek is much different.

Lots of things happen in thousands of years.  Interaction with different languages, evolution of pronounciation to an easier way to say things (Modern Greek pronounciation is a lot easier than Ancient Greek IMHO), etc.  Just watch old movies from the 50s and compare how people talk to now.  You can tell that the pronounciation is different, now multiply that by several hundred times and you'll get a big difference.

iam talking about  ancient times at the time of Socrat and alexander and the region i meant is where is Greece now.

so there is difference

>>Known Greece of that time was from Thessaly in the North to Krete in the South and from the Ionian islands in the West to the East-Agean islands in the East<<

Would you mind explaining were did Macedonia go, in your presentation of the Hellinic borders and  what happened to the Troyans, Samothrace, Illyrian tribes not to mention the numerous Hellinic people in Italy long before the foundation of Rome?

If we are to take it a bit further what about the Sea People, the Phillistines or even the Thracians (clearly connected to the Hellinies thanks to latest archeologic finds. see gold mask similar to Agamemnon's and an Olympic ring?

Herodotus does tell us that the Hellines never did have any kind of border, at least that's what I understood when reading his Book I, 56

"These races, Ionian and Dorian, were the foremost in ancient time, the first a Pelasgian and the second an Hellenic people. The Pelasgian stock has never yet left its habitation, the Hellenic has wandered often and afar."

And a little something about your signature. Isocrates doesn't say that "The word Greek is not so much a term of birth as of mentality,and is applied to a common culture rather than to a common descent"

But he clearly said in his "Panegurikos" 4.49-50, we have become the teachers of the world since our intelligenge has surpassed everyone. So the term Hellin has came to  suggest no longer a race but an intelligence. So a Helline is he who shares our intelligence or our common race.

"kai mallon Hellenas kaleisthai tous tes paideuseos tes hemeteras E tous tes koines phuseos metechontas."

"E" means "or"

In your "version" it's like everyone influenced by the Hellinic culture were accepted as Hellines and ceased to be what our ancestors always concidered them to be . Which was nothing more than "Barbaroi".

>>macidonian used to be very close to the greek language 2000 years ago but it is not any more<<

What exactly do you mean by saying "it is not any more"? There never was any kind of language difference between the Macedonians and any other Hellinic tribe, simply because that was exactly what they were. All Hellinic tribes that spoke the same language, slight dialect differences, I can understand and accept but there is absolutely NO kind of proof to support this "theory".

There's no point talking about country borders or nations back then. The Greeks were "like frogs around a pond" (I love this expression!) They had built cities all around the Mediterranean and they spoke in many different dialects that were (more or less) mutually understandable. chemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />>>

Regarding the "roman arch of victory" you probably refer to Hadrian's gate. It was not something that separated Greeks from Romans but a gate commemorating Hadrian who was a great benefactor of Athens. He strongly favored Greek education for Romans and also adopted the Greek idea of separation between "Romans and barbarians" instead of further expansion.>>

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Regarding Macedonian/Greek language there's some misconception. Ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe speaking Greek. Modern day "Macedonians" are Slavs who speak Slavic. They're not the same people; they just took the name of the region where they live (that is the northern part of ancient Macedonia).>>

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Hellinas, you read too many ultra-nationalist, ultra-right books. Perhaps you buy them from that ass*ole at "tiletora" channel. or from that fascist site that you posted a few days ago. In any case: THEY ARE WRONG!

i meant the modern Macedonians who( i just knew) are not the same as the ancient Macedonians

they are two different people but happened to live in Macedonia

as  Yannis explained

make more sense to me