Iranian girl to be lashed for having fun

Originally posted by Ponce de Leon are we talking about today or the dark ages? christians dont tend to burn people at the stake in the 21st century last time i heard....

Zagros I would disagree with you on secularism. You CAN have a violent genocidal secularist agenda, just look at The Directorate of revolutionary france, thousands of people killed because they would not join with the secular regime. No, religiousness never caused these kinds of things, but zealotry did. You can have a zealous christian, hindu, muslim or atheist and the results are always the same. Merely using religion as an excuse for horrible acts doesn't mean its the fault of the religious, merely the faults of the zealots. 

Originally posted by JanusRook No, religiousness never caused these kinds of things, but zealotry did. You can have a zealous christian, hindu, muslim or atheist and the results are always the same. Merely using religion as an excuse for horrible acts doesn't mean its the fault of the religious, merely the faults of the zealots.

this is true, its not the religion just the followers. But religious logic ie of good and evil, seems to promote such zealotry when its potential exists. While the boundaries of moderation seem to be personal/interpretation based, they dont exist in alot of the fundamental (literal) interpretation of dogma. Hence relgion and politics are best kept apart.


Edited by Leonidas - 16-Nov-2006 at 21:53

Finally if you permit, can we come back to the subject of the topic.

Its possibly a hoax: News story

If true, her ex is a total ass.

Originally posted by Aelfgifu Sex is everybody's private business. The government has nothing to say about it whatsoever, period. Any government that does think it has the right to get involved with other peoples sex-lives need serious reforming.

I agree. Even though I consider sex outside marriage to be wrong, I don't think its the role to the government to get involved.

Originally posted by morticia Originally posted by Vivek Sharma The funny thing is that the men want all the privileges of modernity, but want to deny it to the women. Hail Vivek!!!! That's right! I think the one who should be punished here is the "guy/partner" who filmed the act and then published it, knowing quite well what the ramifications would be to her ONLY! Nice of him to just run off to Dubai or wherever he went! Coward!

What??
Punishing both the man and the woman as Iran wants to do isn't sexist. Punishing only the man or only the woman is

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No different in your eyes, but very different in mine. Anyway, what I am referring to is that main-stream muslims are the ones that are still making these practices occur. The main-stream church in the middle ages practiced burning and torture to make many heretics or pagans convert. But that is not the mentality of the main-stream church, or the main-stream christian organizations today. Sure you will find a bunch of loonies who still worship the christian philosophy of centuries ago. But the mentality of the mainstream christians and muslims are widely different today.

back to the topic? OK, let us look at the title of this thread:

A claim is made here: The girl is being punished for having fun - you try to make out like having fun is a criminal offence in Islam... no! the girl is being punished (if she is getting punished at all) for making a sex video, regardless of whether she had fun or not.

I keep my anti-religious feelings to myself - except when a religious imbecile tries to stigmatise members of another rival sect using tired stereotypes.

What the extremist Jews do to Arabs, Christians do in Africa and elsewhere, Muslims do in the Middle East and what Hindus do in India is in essence no different, all are religious zealots who think that because of their faith they are somehow superior to others.

Let me break it down, religious chauvinists are no-brain fools and are worthy of every ounce of disrespect dished out at them.

The main difference is that these chauvinist's numbers are more in some  than in other religions.

And Ponce, I am not anti Muslim, but Anti (Anti-Indian / Traitors). Unfortunately in practical terms in India it often seems to make you look anti muslim because of the behaviour of the communities here.

But that is a tragedy which cannot be changed becuase it s a fact of life.