Iranian girl to be lashed for having fun

Oh I See. I am clubbed anti muslim. Nobody thinks why my opinions don't tend to go against Christianity. If I had to be partisan / biased or anti something, I should have been anti-Chrisitan. Becasue as a Hindu, the only danger to hinduism in India today comes from christianity. That is because now that we have a rule of law & justice, conversion of Hindus to Islam has stopped ever since the British established their rule. For the last couple of hundred years, Hindus have only converted to christianity, not to  mohammedanism. The last  conversions to muslims were done by tipu  the traitor in malabar.

Muslims religion today does  not present any danger or threat whatsoever to the hindus, so why should I, a nationalist hindu be against muslims ?


On the contrary the Christian religion presents a greater threat & a real one.  because the missionaries are converting a lot of tribals & poor people to their religion every day. But I am not labeled anti christian by anybody ! What is the reason ?

The reason is that the christians (the earlier ones as well as the new converts) are as a rule not anti national. They never (well very rarely) engage in anti india activities. They as a rule love to call india their country & are interested in its interest. So even though the christian faith is  converting a lot of Hindus to it everyday, people like me still dont tend to be labeled anti christian, because we dont speak against them, because we are not apprehensive about them, because they dont engage in anti national activities.

On the contrary, the muslims faith is not converting any Hindus to itself today (since we now have a the rule of Law), But it is till percieved as a threat by people like me to us ! Why ? Muslims are not taking away our jobs, because most of them are not educated, they are not a threat ot our businesses, because, they would prefer to get into the  mafia  or small odd businesses. We need to be worried about the christians as they are educated & taking away our jobs etc.. etc... But still we are not against chrisitian but only against the muslims ! Why ?

because their majority thought  process is a great danger to the country. Because the terrorists activities in India are done by them. because every few days you hear of a terror strike from the mujahideens killing a few civilias here & there. Because they go to pakistan for terrorist training & not christians. etc....etc.... the list can go on...

I again want to reiterate that I am not anti muslim (the religion), but as a patriotic person I am against everything which is anti Indian,  there are more Hindus in that list than muslims. But if the muslims also constitute a great part of that list, i have no option but to be against those people, who represent a grave threat to the country. I am not bothered about the threat to the hindu religion because being the first religion,it has survived countless threats & is still present is its original state whereas all other olden faiths have floundered to near extinction. So there is no reason why it will not survive the mild threat to ti at present.

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma The main difference is that these chauvinist's numbers are more in some� than in other religions.And Ponce, I am not anti Muslim, but Anti (Anti-Indian / Traitors). Unfortunately in practical terms in India it often seems to make you look anti muslim because of the behaviour of the communities here.But that is a tragedy which cannot be changed becuase it s a fact of life.

    
Oh no I did not say that vivek i quoted that comment from zagros

The main difference is that these chauvinist's numbers are more in some  than in other religions.

And Ponce, I am not anti Muslim, but Anti (Anti-Indian / Traitors). Unfortunately in practical terms in India it often seems to make you look anti muslim because of the behaviour of the communities here.

But that is a tragedy which cannot be changed becuase it s a fact of life.

back to the topic? OK, let us look at the title of this thread:

A claim is made here: The girl is being punished for having fun - you try to make out like having fun is a criminal offence in Islam... no! the girl is being punished (if she is getting punished at all) for making a sex video, regardless of whether she had fun or not.

I keep my anti-religious feelings to myself - except when a religious imbecile tries to stigmatise members of another rival sect using tired stereotypes.

What the extremist Jews do to Arabs, Christians do in Africa and elsewhere, Muslims do in the Middle East and what Hindus do in India is in essence no different, all are religious zealots who think that because of their faith they are somehow superior to others.

Let me break it down, religious chauvinists are no-brain fools and are worthy of every ounce of disrespect dished out at them.

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No different in your eyes, but very different in mine. Anyway, what I am referring to is that main-stream muslims are the ones that are still making these practices occur. The main-stream church in the middle ages practiced burning and torture to make many heretics or pagans convert. But that is not the mentality of the main-stream church, or the main-stream christian organizations today. Sure you will find a bunch of loonies who still worship the christian philosophy of centuries ago. But the mentality of the mainstream christians and muslims are widely different today.

Originally posted by Aelfgifu Sex is everybody's private business. The government has nothing to say about it whatsoever, period. Any government that does think it has the right to get involved with other peoples sex-lives need serious reforming.

I agree. Even though I consider sex outside marriage to be wrong, I don't think its the role to the government to get involved.

Originally posted by morticia Originally posted by Vivek Sharma The funny thing is that the men want all the privileges of modernity, but want to deny it to the women. Hail Vivek!!!! That's right! I think the one who should be punished here is the "guy/partner" who filmed the act and then published it, knowing quite well what the ramifications would be to her ONLY! Nice of him to just run off to Dubai or wherever he went! Coward!

What??
Punishing both the man and the woman as Iran wants to do isn't sexist. Punishing only the man or only the woman is

Its possibly a hoax: News story

If true, her ex is a total ass.

Finally if you permit, can we come back to the subject of the topic.

Originally posted by JanusRook No, religiousness never caused these kinds of things, but zealotry did. You can have a zealous christian, hindu, muslim or atheist and the results are always the same. Merely using religion as an excuse for horrible acts doesn't mean its the fault of the religious, merely the faults of the zealots.

this is true, its not the religion just the followers. But religious logic ie of good and evil, seems to promote such zealotry when its potential exists. While the boundaries of moderation seem to be personal/interpretation based, they dont exist in alot of the fundamental (literal) interpretation of dogma. Hence relgion and politics are best kept apart.


Edited by Leonidas - 16-Nov-2006 at 21:53