Prove your god's existence.

I agree!

Atheism is just another religion, and a highly missionary one at that.

Originally posted by Paul I've always thought agnostic are allies to religious believers and enemies of athiests

Your dividing the world up into theists and atheists. Thats completely wrong. Everyone knows that the world is divided up into muslims and non-muslims!


Alright Bulgarian, while I want to make sure you understand I'm not trying to change your beliefs, I'm going to go through and point out the bits where you are so blatently wrong seeing as you've posted the same stuff in two threads now. You need to understand that the athesist can't use logic to confirm their beliefs either.

Originally posted by the Bulgarian How is it that you know your religion is the right one? (this was a question directed at a particular forumer). So many of them exist. It's a gamble whether you'll be born in a Christian, Jewish, Buddisst, etc. family

Have you ever put in some time to study different religions? Just because there are many doesn't mean they are all wrong! Duh!

Let's say Allah is the one true God. Then all the goodhearted Christians, Jews, etc. go to hell. Why? Nonbelievers go to hell. It's in the Kuran. It's as simple as that. And vice versa. But then why didn't Allah give them the chance to worship him, after all he is allmighty? Some would say that he did. They know about Muhhamad and are free to convert to Islam. But what about the people born before the birth of Muhhamad or Christ? No matter how good they were they'll still burn.

Obviously you have never studied Islam, nor read the Quran. Just put a big X through this paragraph.

But what's more suspicious is the concept of the entire creation of the Universe and Mankind. They're all alike. Muhhammad coppied the Bible and made some minor adjustments. He even went as far as steeling Jusus from Christianity. Couldn't he have been a little more creative? If you've read one Holy book you've read them all. How can you still believe that  the Universe is 5000 years old, that God created man out of mud and all those things now that we know that the Universe is 12 to 20 billion years old, how life began and evolved and how mankind eventually came into being.

When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say: "We have heard this (before): if we wished, we could say (words) like these: these are nothing but tales of the ancients."

Remember how they said: "O Allah if this is indeed the Truth from Thee, rain down on us a shower of stones form the sky, or send us a grievous penalty."

But Allah was not going to send them a penalty whilst thou wast amongst them; nor was He going to send it whilst they could ask for pardon. [8:31-33]
If you had read the Quran you will have noted that this question is answer multiple times. If you had read the Quran and the bible you would know how completely different the two books are.

You're viewing your religion in an absolutistic manner - the one true and eternal one. That is because you're immersed in it. You must rise above that to observe it in its true essense.

Your emmersed in your culture and beliefs too. Why don't you rise above it and accept a different religion?

All religious beliefs, starting with the first and most primitive ones, came into being as an attempt by the first people to explane the world around them.

Prove it. Thats speculation, I'm about to believe that as you are that the first man was a muslim.

Any phenoemenon they didn't understand they contributed to a superior godlike force.

Rubbish. Your going to pidgeon hole all your ancestors into superstitous people? Anything you can figure out so could they.

Now religion is nearing its end

With 1.5 billion muslims, 2 billion Christians and 800 million hindus I seriously doubt it.

Today people don't need it to understand the reality around them, they have science to do that. And now they know that what religion tells them about the physycal aspect of the world is a lie and they don't believe it any more

Except religion is telling me the same as science is, some lie.

They don't need it any more as a moral guide either

Where are you pulling that from? I think that depends on who the judge is.

Maybe not in this generation, probably not in the next one, but when men land on a planet orbiting the nearest star the name Allah will be forgotten.

Why? Nothing in Islam is limited to earth or humans.

Originally posted by BGTurk If we assume that God, an omnipowerful and omnipresent entity, exists it leads to paradoxes such as the question whether God is so powerful that she can create a stone that she cannot lift. Such paradoxes are contradictory, and invalidate the assumption of God's existence. That is why I have chosen to be an atheist.

Because your thinking is limited to the superficiallity? That sentence is completely meaningless. What does lift mean? Whats a stone? I can move any rock of any weight! You don't need to be all powerful. Creating meaningless logic puzzles then taking this as proof is ridiculous.

Edited by Omar al Hashim - 11-Nov-2006 at 23:19

Edited by Hellios - 12-Nov-2006 at 02:01

Edited by Antioxos - 12-Nov-2006 at 15:58

If Allah's existance would be something like a theory that can be proven easily, then the meaning of whole life would be menaingless, as we are on an exam in this world.

As the NewTestament recommends People should walk by faith, not by sight.

But can you be so sure that what you see is real?

No, but if I was blind I wouldn't even be able to consider it.

Our gods have all along been mostly living persons, personified as Gods over a period of time but their history is too old & obscure to prove specially with the tradition disregard Indians for History.

Edited by Hellios - 14-Nov-2006 at 02:39

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim I think Cezar was blind when he posted his last two posts. *blind there means blind drunk.