Hazara and Pan-Turk

This is the translation for the Turkic part. The speaker pronounces the words with kind of a dialect.

"ta'rifini aylayin bir nicha muzi baini"

ta'rif = (originally Arabic; also in Persian) description , aylayin = (kind of a dialect; originally 'eyleyin') from 'eyle-mek' = to do, to accomplish , byr nicha = (kind of a dialect; originally 'byr neche' or 'byr nyche') = some, a few , muzi = sly???(if this is of Persian origin) , bay = rich


"I tell the story of some sly rich men"

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"gerdnimga alda'b ordi bit paykal boghdaini"

gerdnim = my neck??? (if this is of Persian origin) , aldab = having deceived , ordi = harvested , bit paykal = ? , boghday = (kind of a dialect; originally bughday) wheat


"having deceived me, he cut my neck ...? the wheat"

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"hech bandanagni khuda oraqeqa dochar 'ailama"

hech = (from Persian hich) nobody, nothing , banda = (originally 'slave', but now used as) 'man', 'human' , khuda = Persian 'God' , oraq = harvest , dochar ailama = don't involve


"God! Don't involve anybody in harvest (to work as farmhand)"

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"demginem 'echimga toshdi kimga aytayo ayni"

demgin = ? , echimga = to my soul (let's say!) , toshdi = (kind of a dialect; originally t�shdy) fell into , kim = who , aytay = I say , ayni = ?


" ? fell into my soul (it means 'my heart burns' - sorry for the bad translation!); who should I say this to?"

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"ondan kien chotlama sang chotla gin och aini"

ondan = from that , kien = more , chotlamasang = if you don't wreck , chotlagin = wreck , och = ? , ayni = ?

"If you don't get hurt more, ...?"

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"hech bandanagni khuda oraqeqa dochar 'ailama"


"God! Don't involve anybody in harvest (to work as farmhand)"

Edited by gok_toruk - 08-Jan-2008 at 18:12

Originally posted by Naimani   There are: Besud - Mongol (Chinggis Khaan was a Borchegen Besud too) Naiman - Mongol Dai-Zangies - Mongol Dai-Kundies - Mongol   Jaghuries - Turkic Turkomans - Turkic Tatars - Turkic Aimaq - Turkic

Edited by ProMongol - 08-Jan-2008 at 18:22

Originally posted by gok_toruk Thanks Naimani for the Hazaragi poem, but I could only understand a few words: Jawoni = youth, sharob = wine , yaadi yar = love's memorial , noz = (I don't know how to say it in English) , saz o dutar = songs and music instrument (Dutar) , hamesha = always , khanda = laughter Could you please translate this? I really appreciate this also if you could tell me what all those 'ishil's mean.

Naiman what is the meaning of Dai? Is it a Mongol word? As far as I know there is four clans of Hazara their name begins with Dai:

Edited by Jalair - 09-Jan-2008 at 20:16

Here are some of the Hazara clans who live outside Hazarajat(Central Afghanistan):

- Qalluq Hazaras of Khan Abad

- Ali Abad, and Takhar Hazaras

- Shekh Ali Hazaras to the east of Khan Abad

- Gar Gag Hazaras to the north of Baghlan

- Nikpai Hazaras between Khanad and Qundoz

- Koh Gadai Hazaras to the west of Nahrin

- Quzi Hazaras to the south of Nahrin and east of Khan Abad

- Tulai Hazaras to the south of Nahrin (named after Tulai Khan, the son of Changhiz Khan)

- Dala Pas Kindi to the west of Nahrin and east of Andarab

- Joy Kand Hazaras in Khan Abad

- Naiman Hazaras to the north of Baghlan

- Kolo Hazaras in Herat near the historical monuments

- Ghoriyan Hazaras in Herat; Badghis, Jawand, Darra-e Kashroo, Dai, Dah Marda, Khosha, and Lazir Hazaras around herat

- Dai Mirak Hazaras to the north and in Sholtoo

- Qora Khowal

- Nekudari

- Diwanah Qishlaq valleys

- Chal Hazaras in Iskhamish

- Hazaras of Dar-e-Hazara in Panjsher

- Koh Ghinar Hazaras in Baghlan

- Babolah Hazaras in Samangan

- Qaghai

- Qul Bars

- Bqara Batoor

- Yangai Qala

- Main Mana

- Khamisi

- Qalai Qisar

- Bab Vali

- Pul-e Khumri and Badakhshan Hazaras etc.

 

Edited by Naimani - 11-Jan-2008 at 01:49

Originally posted by gok_toruk It's really interesting to see old Altaic words still present among Hazaras. Thanks for your informative posts Naimani.

Edited by Naimani - 11-Jan-2008 at 03:08

Originally posted by Naimani You are welcome Gok Toruk! By the way 'Ishil' is pronounced differently by different clans. Jaghuri clans also pronounce it as "Yishil".

"Ayrimaq" and "Oymaq" are two different words in Uyghur.

Hazara people are very proud of their roots. I don't count the topic starter - as there has been many Pashtuni and Islamic attempts to destroy the Hazara people. As much as the Afghans can deny it, look it up anywhere in your local library about the history behind the Pashtuns and Hazaras.

Very well