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Genghis
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Topic: Saddam death's sentence: Hang em High Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 21:49 |
Originally posted by JanusRook
What do you all think of this? |
I don't know, it'll be interesting what people around him will disclose about this later on.
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Omar al Hashim
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 22:50 |
So who was surprised? It would've been so funny if he was found innocent
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 23:27 |
It was a disgrace. The whole thing did not even have the prence of a fair trial. All Saddam is going to be now is a martyre.
Such trails are a bad idea, be they at Nuremberg, or here since they smack of victors justice. Saddam should have gotten a 9 mm to the back of the head when he was captured end of discussion.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 00:22 |
Originally posted by Sparten
Saddam should have gotten a 9 mm to the back of the head when he was captured end of discussion. |
This would make him a martyr too. The campaign against Iraq was a bad idea from the begining.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 01:03 |
It would have been sharp and quick. This was a long facsade.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 02:40 |
Originally posted by bg_turk
Yes, Saddam was responsible for the genocide of around 200,000 civilian Kurds in Halabja. |
You cannot have 200,000 civilian Kurds dead in Halabja. It is a small town (if not a village).
This number is applicable to his Anfal operation and the subsequent operations on Kurds revolt after 1991 Gulf War.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 03:30 |
chuck him of a very high cliff. I am normally agianst the whole death penatly, but i think that country is so chaotic it would be better to kill him now while we can, just incase. For the shiite and the kurds
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 06:35 |
Originally posted by Dampier
But that will only work with someone obvious like Saddam. The trouble with the death sentance is that there is no going back if a mistake is made.
Aside from that I feel that kiling someone should be the ultimate resort, only for hopeless cases. Instead I would suggest psycology and an attmept at reform and community work. States should not sink to the level of criminals.
That said it is a powerful deterrent. After all thats how Saddam controlled Iraq and why the Coalition can't.
Its one of those conondrums of life; will we save more by killing some now? And is that morally right? |
There are multiple truths in this thread and i agree with most of them. I also agree that the death penalty should only take place, if in NO doubt. I trust the judiciary to be sane enough to consider the circumstances surrounding a case. But one should NEVER circumvent the law.
No one in their right mind would disagree with the outcome, but in effect what we have witnessed is an extra judicial killing sanctioned by a kangaroo court.
I agree also with Janus, that it is justice to the victims that takes precedence over the punishment of the criminal. It is a common occurrence in countries with corrupt courts or failing judicial system, that a person in the process of exacting revenge for a deceased ends up killing persons other than the culprit .
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 07:05 |
IMO for a man like Saddam death would be the easy way out. It would be an escape from justice for him. He would see it as a Maryterdom, he is dying for his beliefs. And as such it would only make tensions in the ME even worse.
And how are we any better than him if we kill. Two wrongs don't make a right. The Death penalty is never the answer. Murder cannot be right for one person and wrong for another.
There are punishments so much worse than death. Life in solitary confinment for example or being made to work for others. That would be the ultimate punishment for a man who is used to being in control.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 07:42 |
i am strongly against death penalty and torturing, even though i am against him in many ways, i dont think the situation in Iraq is exactly favouring the Democracy government. by overthrown the Saddam government, the NATOs have altered the blance between Sunni and Shi'a
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 08:31 |
Originally posted by malizai_
There are multiple truths in this thread and i agree with most of them. I also agree that the death penalty should only take place, if in NO doubt. I trust the judiciary to be sane enough to consider the circumstancessurrounding a case. Butoneshould NEVER circumvent the law.
No one in their right mind would disagree with the outcome, but in effect what we have witnessed is an extra judicial killing sanctioned by a kangaroo court
I agree also with Janus, that it is justice to the victims that takes precedence over the punishment of the criminal. It is a common occurrence in countries with corrupt courts or failing judicial system, that a person in the process of exacting revenge for a deceased ends up killing persons other than the culprit. |
OK, I agree with the death penalty in cases of obvious proof. And I would be in favour should reform be found not to work.
I'm with you and Janus over justice not punishment. After all we have Justice not Punishment systems.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 08:41 |
Isn't it weird the Saddam is sentence to die be4 the American election. I believe Bush has somthing to do w/ that. He wants to win the election, so he kills off a dictator to win the ppl's hearts. I hate that! Bush shoud be hung slowly and painfully. I hate Bush and his regime! I hate him, not the American ppl. I hate leaders, not their ppl. For all I care many world leaders shoud die!
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 09:09 |
I don't think that Saddam is going to be executed, the court is propably going to sentence him for life and in a few months after that he is going to have a heart-attack. Sound's familiar, doesn't it?
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 09:12 |
Let's hope he will get the heart attack after being pronounced guilty though, not before and die legally as an innocent man.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 09:26 |
Sentence to death was a great mistake.
This trial was done in a dubious court. The whole point of a court is to make both parties feel that a fair decision was reached, and by this prevent further violence. Saddam, as horrible a man as he is, didn't get a fair trial, and this can incite supporters into taking revenge for the injustice committed to him.
The US made a huge blunder when they didn't get him tried in an international court. There is plenty of evidence that the man is guilty, and I fair trial would have found that.
But by trying him in a US kangaroo court, the U.S. committed an injustice towards Saddam that will give an argument to insurgent Sunnis.
Furthermore, killing him through a sentence of a dubious court only turns him into a martyr.
I can already hear people stating that Saddam didn't get a better trial than an African American in the U.S. system.
Or that Saddam's trial had the same sloppy justice found in the U.S. in death sentences cases, only proving how horrible Americans are.
She should have been kept in jail for life with no parole.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 09:32 |
so far cerfews have been set up all over Iraq for what was believed of waves of attacks in protest of Saddam's execution. So far there has been nothing yet. We will know when we finally see that corpse hanging from the rope
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 10:06 |
I hope that bush is not re-elected. I'd rather see him hanging in the noose. But it should be 3 foot noose, more pain that way. It wasn't a fair trial, and it is Mr. Bush for the blame.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 11:26 |
Originally posted by The Canadian Guy
I hope that bush is not re-elected. I'd rather see him hanging in the noose. But it should be 3 foot noose, more pain that way. It wasn't a fair trial, and it is Mr. Bush for the blame. |
he can't be re-elected: the U.S. has term limits.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 11:34 |
Originally posted by The Canadian Guy
I hope that bush is not re-elected. I'd rather see him hanging in the noose. But it should be 3 foot noose, more pain that way. It wasn't a fair trial, and it is Mr. Bush for the blame. |
That just really pisses me off. Say what you want about Mr. Bush, he DOES NOT deserve to die.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 11:38 |
Indeed, Bush deserve to go heaven.. But well, He should die first.
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