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Topic: Saddam death's sentence: Hang em High Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 15:45 |
Originally posted by malizai_
Murderes have to die because life IS sacred. |
But this is a contradiction. If you hold life sacred, why do you advocate the taking of it? There are far worse punishments than death. Saddam does not deserve to die, he deserves worse.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 16:26 |
Originally posted by bg_turk
There are far worse punishments than death. Saddam does not deserve to die, he deserves worse. |
I agree. I would gain more pleasure from Saddam being made to work to help those who's lives he destroyed. Not only that but can there be any greater punishment than phscological? To know your lot in life is drudgery to help those you hate.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 16:37 |
pretty simple, when someone wrongfully takes another life he forgoes right to his own. It sets an example to other(deterrent) would be murderers. He who doesn't hold life sacred is a threat to other peoples lives.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 17:14 |
But that will only work with someone obvious like Saddam. The trouble with the death sentance is that there is no going back if a mistake is made.
Aside from that I feel that kiling someone should be the ultimate resort, only for hopeless cases. Instead I would suggest psycology and an attmept at reform and community work. States should not sink to the level of criminals.
That said it is a powerful deterrent. After all thats how Saddam controlled Iraq and why the Coalition can't.
Its one of those conondrums of life; will we save more by killing some now? And is that morally right?
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 17:30 |
I quote a passage from The Lord Of The Rings:
"Many that live deserve dead,some who died deserve life,can you give it back to them."
- Gandalf The Grey
Edited by Krum - 05-Nov-2006 at 17:32
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 17:37 |
Originally posted by Amnesty International
"Every accused has a right to a fair trial, whatever the magnitude of
the charge against them. This plain fact was routinely ignored through
the decades of Saddam Hussein's tyranny. His overthrow opened the
opportunity to restore this basic right and, at the same time, to
ensure, fairly, accountability for the crimes of the past. It is an
opportunity missed," said Malcolm Smart, "and made worse by the
imposition of the death penalty." |
Very wise words.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 17:43 |
He deserves his sentence and this also was an opportunity lost. He should continually be on trial for any charge brought against him. Even if it takes more time. American politics. Can someone say Tuesday November 7?
Edited by Seko - 05-Nov-2006 at 17:45
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 17:52 |
Originally posted by Seko
He deserves his sentence and this also was an opportunity lost. He should continually be on trial for any charge brought against him. Even if it takes more time. American politics. Can someone say Tuesday November 7? |
Tuesday November 7th.
Yeah, you're right, just more dodgy attempts to influence the voters.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 18:07 |
I think your looking too far into this. Saddam was marked for death the instance others took him as a figurehead. It was only a matter of when patience was going to run out.
But this is a contradiction. If you hold life sacred, why do you advocate the taking of it?
There are far worse punishments than death. Saddam does not deserve to die, he deserves worse.
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Bg_turk I have a solution that should be acceptable to all parties. Stick Saddam in a cell and don't feed him or bring him water. That a way you aren't killing him. Merely leaving him to die, therefore it's up to God if he dies or not. So theologians can rest easy....of course human rights issues might come up, but when has america bothered with those.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 19:34 |
Those who wish death to Bush and Blair...thank god your not politicians
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 19:45 |
Saddam deserves his fate. I am glad they decided on a hanging-he deserves to die like the criminal he is. He is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of his own people. Other dictators around the world should take note and clean up their acts before they are sentenced to die as well.
As to those who wish Bush and Blair to die: They have not murdered hundreds of thousands of people. They have not used chemical weapons on their own people. Bush and Blair may not be the best leaders the world as seen (they are far from it), but they do not deserve death.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 19:48 |
Originally posted by Krum
I admit that Sadam Hussein is a monster but the death penalty is not a solution.We claim that we live in civilized world,but how it is civilized when the death penalty is supported by "civilized" countries like USA.When you use violence,the answer will be violence. |
There is nothing wrong with the death penalty. There are some people who's crimes are so severe that death is the only penalty severe enough to punish them with.
Edited by Adalwolf - 05-Nov-2006 at 19:49
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 20:00 |
The death penalty is a reward for the victims, not a punishment for the criminal.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 20:02 |
Originally posted by JanusRook
The death penalty is a reward for the victims, not a punishment for the criminal. |
Is that a problem?
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 20:05 |
Not in itself, but people should realize that death isn't a punishment, it is a release from their crimes.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 20:06 |
Well then, maybe he should suffer before he is executed.
Not torture, but he is a candidate for torture if there ever was one, but emotionally. I think making him pick up litter until he is executed would be apropriate.
Edited by Adalwolf - 05-Nov-2006 at 20:15
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 20:37 |
Interesting development in the story:
"The message from President Saddam to his people came during a meeting in Baghdad this morning, just before the so-called Iraqi court issued its verdict in his trial," Khalil al-Dulaimi told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from Baghdad.
"His message to the Iraqi people was 'pardon and do not take revenge on the invading nations and their people'," al-Dulaimi said, quoting Saddam.
"The president also asked his countrymen to 'unify in the face of sectarian strife'," the lawyer added.
....Al-Dulaimi said Saddam "knew that he would be sentenced to death and wanted me to pass on this message to the Iraqi people and to the whole world after the verdict was announced."
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What do you all think of this?
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 20:44 |
Hmm, maybe this is his way to secure a place in the next life, knowing that death is close...
It's interesting that he would say such things.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 21:47 |
Originally posted by JanusRook
The death penalty is a reward for the victims, not a punishment for the criminal. |
I'm sure a lot of executed people would disagree with that.
And who cares? Shouldn't the victims have the satisfaction of seeing a vile worm like Saddam Hussein take the long drop to the end of the rope?
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Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 21:48 |
Saddam was a dictator, his regime was a tyranny-maybe thats's true(of course overestimated by the US and islamist propaganda). But he was also an Iraqi and arabic patriot with a great desire to modernize his country and to bring prosperity and better life to it's people. Here's the constitution of the Baath party which leader in Iraq was Saddam. His methods were brutal and inhumane, but so was the world he lived in. He was extremely cruel to his poltical rivals, but he knew that immediately after he has lost the political power his days are counted-as it happens now. It's not fair to judge him from our time and position criteria.
I'm severely concerned that the people of Iraq will see soon better days than during his rule (the victims of US campaigns, insurgency attacks etc.) are more numerous than the victims his regime produced (without that of the Iran-Iraqi war). Maybe his rule was bad, but atleast it was secular. Now after the Americans get out(that will happen one day), they'll leave behind them a ruined country, with probably radical islamist regime-another medieval "Talibania" like Afghanistan or something like in Iran.
Edited by Desperado - 05-Nov-2006 at 22:04
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