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Does Greece have ottoman traces???

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What a childish thread-question is this??? Just because a forumer has opened a thread about the byzantine influence on Ottomans???
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i am waiting for other comments,and after,i have somethin' to say...
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Originally posted by EGETRK

Does Greece have ottoman traces???
 
Hi EGETRK. Smile
 
When you say "traces" do you mean "origins" or "characteristics"?
 
For "origins" my answer is No, but for "characteristics" it's Yes!
 
From pre-historic Greece through to the Ottoman capture of Athens in 1456 or 58 (not sure) I'd say Greek culture was independent and even spread.
 
During the Ottoman occupation (from the capture of Athens in 1456 until the Greek declaration of independence in 1821) I think Ottoman and Greek culture mixed; just look at some similarities like our cuisine, costumes, and music! Tongue
 
Personally, I see the Turkish elements in present Greek culture in the same bright light as I see the Greek elements in society around the world.


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Of course!

Countries share many things with theirs neighbours! Frontiers are artificial and moves. Cultures cross those frontiers.
 
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Turks mixed with belkan races and belkan races mixed with Turks...
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So do you mean that a muslim could be christian yunan giaour??
A powerful Osmanli would become a simple Rum giaour?????????
Was he jealous of Rums' lives???? devsirme or haraci??????
or humiliation???
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no,we means baklava,dner,kahve,bağlama or something like that...İ know a greek song which name is ''Mou Spasane ton Bağlama'' for exemple...As you know bağlama is definitly turkic instrument...
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Ok then,in the cultural part I agree("mou spasane ton baglama" nice song,e? LOL), but to say that Turks became christians in order to be assimilated now in Greek society is totally inaccurate,eclipsed by any historical truth.
Except from those facts I mentioned,Sharia(muslim law,espesially that period) and the Greeks' view for the Turks prevailed the hellenisation of any Turk.
PS(What is doner and kahve?)
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Originally posted by EGETRK

i am waiting for other comments, and after, i have somethin' to say...
 
Is this what you had to say?:
 
Originally posted by EGETRK

no, we means baklava, dner, kahve, bağlama or something like that... İ know a greek song which name is ''Mou Spasane ton Bağlama'' for exemple... As you know bağlama is definitly turkic instrument...
 
If that's all you wanted to say, why did you ask for my comments!? Wink
 
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There are definately cultural connections like Karagoz ve Hacivat shadow plays, Baglama-Bashibozuk-->Bouziki, cuisine, music etc Also there are Ottoman buildings.
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1) Baglama is not a CA turkic instrument. It's a middle eastern instrument and 3000+ years old.
 
2) Baklava is a traditional Syrian food, since archaic times.
 
3) Doner is a middle-eastern food, has no connection with CA.
 
4) Kahve (Turkish Coffee) is a middle eastern type Coffee. Has no connection with CA.
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5) Karagoz-Hacivat is most probably an indian tradition, and came to Turkey via Egypt. 
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I don't know about baglama but bouzouki is simiral to the ancient greek pandwrion.
Baklava considering its materials is a mediterranean food not surely syrian or greek.
For the other I don't have opinion.
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hİDDEN FACE,the others are okey (but they show Ottoman influance too)But bağlama is definitly from Central Asia,ok maybe,in middle east,there were,but our bağlama comes from CA...

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One of my favorite Turkish elements in modern Greek culture is the eastern flavor added to some of our music.  I'm glad my ancestors embraced some elements of Turkish culture.  For too long, Greece had been just exporting culture & knowledge so the decrease in arrogance and influx of Turkish culture did some good.

 
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i am waiting more exemple of Trk elements in your music or your culture from you Hellios...Details pls...

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I'm not a musician but I think that Turksih music gave a slower tone in some kinds of Greek music,things associated with aralik,nargile and generaly "calm out dude" LOL
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2) Baklava is a traditional Syrian food, since archaic times.
Baklava identified as the ancient Greek gastris, kopte, kopton, or koptoplakous, mentioned in the Deipfosophists  and was calling  later  as "Byzantine favorite."
 
The Deipfosophists is a long work of literary and antiquarian research by the ancient Greek author Athenaus of Nafkratis in Egypt. Simply was the ancient diary lexikon.


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Originally posted by EGETRK

i am waiting more exemple of Trk elements in your music or your culture from you Hellios...Details pls...
 
Well, I already mentioned that there are some similarities in our cuisine, costumes, and music.  I noticed some people talking about the ultimate origin of some things, and just want to point out that if something came to Greece through Turkey, that something might not be a Turkish invention, but it sill came to Greece through Turkey.


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