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Topic: Similarities between Turks and Mongols Posted: 24-Oct-2006 at 22:09 |
- Both were shamanists
- Both were excellent horsemen
- Both were excellent archers
- Both were steppe nomads.
I am not saying that we are the same people. The ancient Turks and ancient Mongols however have many similarities. Are there more similarities?
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 00:28 |
I think both rulers know as Khan as well .
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 01:33 |
Words similar between Turkish and Mongolian: http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~corff/im/Sprache/hugjilt.unx
We were both also believers in Tengri. The list can probably go on forever, back in the day we were so close the only way you can probably tell the difference between us were our languages, which, at that time, were maybe understandable between us.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 02:33 |
I always say we are cousins =)
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 05:21 |
Both have a legend about graywolf i think.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 11:54 |
Originally posted by Turk Nomad
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Me too.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 11:56 |
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Both have a legend about graywolf i think. |
Yea we both do, there are a couple differences though. I think Mongols say blue wolf instead of grey wolf and Ergenekon is part of their myth but I think Ergenekon is a river in the Mongol myths.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 20:56 |
Turks and mongols are same people,Just look at Kazaks.Also Turkish have some similarities to Korean, but really not to much close .
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 21:57 |
Just look at Tuva and Sahas
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 06:15 |
Originally posted by Feramez
Yea we both do, there are a couple differences though. I think Mongols say blue wolf instead of grey wolf and Ergenekon is part of their myth but I think Ergenekon is a river in the Mongol myths. |
A blue wolf leads Oguz Kagan's army whoes name is GkBr, in the legend.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 07:54 |
my friends you should know that the mongols were a turkic tribe. nowadays peope call the inhabitans of mongolia( who are mostly turngusic peoples who later adopted the turkic language) as the mongols. however, peoples like the kazaks have direct ancestry from gengiz khan(jani beg was ogeday khans grandson or something, my grandpa had the chart in oskemen somewhere but i forgot to take it). the mongols were also called tatars. the tatars(also part of my kin) still exist.what do you say? the genghis khan mongols were turks, anyway most of the peoples in the ordus were conquered peoples such as the kirghiz who were turks anyway. the evil westerners have once confused everyone.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 09:13 |
Mongols and Tatars are different, Tatars are the descent of Kipchaks.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 09:26 |
Originally posted by borudjin
my friends you should know that the mongols were a turkic tribe. nowadays peope call the inhabitans of mongolia( who are mostly turngusic peoples who later adopted the turkic language) as the mongols. however, peoples like the kazaks have direct ancestry from gengiz khan(jani beg was ogeday khans grandson or something, my grandpa had the chart in oskemen somewhere but i forgot to take it). the mongols were also called tatars. the tatars(also part of my kin) still exist.what do you say? the genghis khan mongols were turks, anyway most of the peoples in the ordus were conquered peoples such as the kirghiz who were turks anyway. the evil westerners have once confused everyone. |
Mongols were not Turks, they were always Mongols.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 13:23 |
Originally posted by Tamerlane
- Both were shamanists
- Both were excellent horsemen
- Both were excellent archers
- Both were steppe nomads.
I am not saying that we are the same people. The ancient Turks and ancient Mongols however have many similarities. Are there more similarities? |
In which period? before the ancestors of Mongol people came from the forest land, they were not shamanist, they didn't know how to ride horse, they might be good archers, as they were hunters, they were not steppe nomads.
Dongghu migration to the east driven by Huns caused the social change among Mongolic tribes, and we had the later nomadic mongol people called "Tartar" (not to be mixed with the present turkic people "Tatar"). This Mongolic people had a lot in common with Turkic people as you mentioned above. However, if we go back earlier historical period, we will see the the close connection between eastern Iranic people and Turkic people:
Both warshiped sky and sun. (Tengrism)
Both were excellent horsemen.
Both were excellent archers.
Both were steppe nomads.
Just as many Mongolic people became part of later Turkic people, many eastern Iranic people became part of Turkic people.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 13:29 |
Originally posted by shinai
Turks and mongols are same people,Just look at Kazaks.Also Turkish have some similarities to Korean, but really not to much close . |
This is just senseless. You shouldn't look at any group to determine that, as you don't have any reference. Qazaq, Tuva or Saka all are very much mixed with the neighbouring groups just as other groups do. What you should do is to search the ancient history of these people.
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