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    Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 13:04
Originally posted by pekau

I think you got it mixed up... Britain and France were among the most liberal nations in Europe after Napoleon's Era... When Tsar Alexander I issued a Holy Alliance, Britain and France refused to join... Much of the Holy Alliance-that is, Austrian Empire, Prussia, and Imperial Russia... were very conservative because the nobles and absolute monarchy did not want to lose their power. France never had to worry about that since the leaders got the votes from the majority, and same goes to Britain. Germany caught up with liberalism when Bismarck came to power.

British Puritanism did nothave a powerful influence over Britain's affairs. Of course, all nations had some conervatives... I mean, no nation was 100% liberal. I am talking in general.


I agree with you about this conservatism of Eastern statesand as Greek I know very well Austria's(and Metternich's specifically) reaction to every freedom movement.
Lets take for example the Greek issue which was part of the Eastern Question,all states were in the beginning against any Greek movement and even helped Ottoman Empire.But the people of these states hopefully reacted against their states' conservatism and pushed them through Philhellenic organisations and by the general public opinion to change their stance and become neutral or even help Greeks.
In the sea-battle of Navarino Britain,France adn Russia helped equally.
But when I was talking before about "conservative West" and "liberal East" I was reffering to the societies of these European parts and not their states.
My impression is that especially the Protestant societes are much more conservative from the Orthodox ones.
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 19:58
I don't know. Protestants accepted scientific discoveries almost right away, while the Catholics refused to accept scientific discoveries, such as Darwin's evolution theory. Protestants are quite flexible to changes than we think.
 
And France, Russia and Britain helped liberating Greece because Britain and France did not want Ottoman Empire from getting too much power. Russia simply wanted Balkans from Ottoman Empire. Did you know that many of the leading figures in Greek independece were influenced by Russian intelligence? It was balance of power. Prussia/German Empire was probably the only one close to being neutral regarding the Eastern Question because they could little about Balkans anyway, which is the reason why Congress of Berlin was opened.
     
   
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Originally posted by Reginmund
Like Mixcoatl says, a high birthrate only causes problems in the long run. Of course, this isn't really a problem for southern Europe as the birthrates there are more or less equal to those of the north, and some countries like Italy have the lowest birthrates in the world. 
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Perhaps so, as long as that birth rate is relatively high enough to replace the population, then it is healthy in my opinion. However, when you have a birthrate that is lower than the death rate, you run risk at having a much lover population in two generations, you would end
 
Perhaps so, as long as that birth rate is relatively high enough to replace the population, then it is healthy in my opinion. However, when you have a birthrate that is lower than the death rate, you run risk at having a much lover population in two generations, you would end up with a larger portion of the populace being retiree's.
 
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 Southern Europeans have has more family structure (traditional) then thier Northern Europeans counterparts. Please rememeber that the intellectual and civilizing power of Europe was born in Southern Europe mainly  Greece and  Rome, contrary to some Nordic proppganda, niether empire was nordic in any way, it was never nordic. Thier is much literature that as written by both the Greeks and the Romans describing the Noridic features and thier barbaric ways of life. The Southern Europeans civilized the northerns europeans not the other way around as Nordic America seems to always propose.Tell a lie enough times and many will eventually believe it.
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The Nordic peoples NEED to believe thier are superior than Southern Europeans. They have no great Empire of to point to, that they can claim without question was thiers. There was  Aristotle who  wrote about the fair skin savages of the north. Aristotle was against interbreding Greeks with any of these peoples he considered inferior in every way. Romans also were not Nordic, they had white features bone structure, Head Size and demensions, but they aer not blond haired and blue eyed for the most part. The prejudice agianst the Nordics still exist today for many Southern Europeans. Wether you are Spanish, italian, Greek or other S.E. types the chances that you have heredity going back to Rome and or Greece is higher than any Celtic or German. Its funny how  pro Nordic America uses exclusivly Southern Europeans Architecure in most of all its  Buildings. Wether it be Spanish Style as in California, or Roman and Greek (almost all Washington D.C., Capital Building , White House etc.) and claim that these groups are inferior to them either presently or ancestrally. 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2007 at 00:38
Originally posted by pekau

I don't know. Protestants accepted scientific discoveries almost right away, while the Catholics refused to accept scientific discoveries, such as Darwin's evolution theory. Protestants are quite flexible to changes than we think.
 
Actually, Protestants were not as open minded as you think. I don't know if you knew, but the witches hunting in Protestant Europe took hundreds of times more lives in Northern Europe than the Inquisition in 8 centuries.
 
Science was also present in Catholic countries, like the case of Miguel de Servet. Technology has a unbelievable story of Spaniards inventing prototypes of the steam machine centuries before the British: Blasco de Garay (1500-1552) and Jernimo de Ayanz (1553-1613), both developed steam machines before the brits.
 
Why the industrial revolution didn't start in Spain? Simple, because of a problem that still exist in Hispanic countries: lack of confidence in innovators. The society simply don't trust them.
 
By the way, long before Darwin, a Chilean Jesuit, Abate Molina, published a paper about the topic
 
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The Nordic peoples NEED to believe thier are superior than Southern Europeans. They have no great Empire of to point to, that they can claim without question was thiers


The British Empire, the largest in history, was without question a product of the British. The French, Germans and Russians can also claim to have created their own phenomenally powerful empires on their own.
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2007 at 03:41
Ah but Constantine, you fail to understand that Southern Europeans > All else.
And renember, only 'Nordics' have delusions of superiority.
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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2007 at 04:39
Originally posted by Charles24

The prejudice agianst the Nordics still exist today for many Southern Europeans.
 
Yes, it's racism in reverse, : "No dogs and Nordics allowed in the park please", " Northern Europeans are prohibited from entering this beach"
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-May-2007 at 11:00
Originally posted by Charles24


Southern Europeans have has more family structure (traditional) then thier Northern Europeans counterparts. Please rememeber that the intellectual and civilizing power of Europewas born in Southern Europe mainly Greece and Rome, contrary tosome Nordic proppganda, niether empire was nordic in any way, itwas never nordic. Thier is much literature that as written by both the Greeks and the Romans describing the Noridic features and thier barbaric ways of life. The Southern Europeans civilized the northerns europeans not the other way around as Nordic America seemsto always propose.Tell a lie enough times and many will eventually believe it.


The Nordic peoples NEED to believe thier are superior than Southern Europeans. They have no great Empire of to point to, that they can claim without question was thiers. There was Aristotle who wrote about the fair skin savages of the north. Aristotle was against interbreding Greeks with any of these peoples he considered inferior in every way. Romans also were not Nordic, they had white features bone structure, Head Size and demensions, but they aer not blond haired and blue eyed for the most part. The prejudice agianst the Nordics still exist today for many Southern Europeans. Wether you are Spanish, italian, Greek or other S.E. types the chances that you have heredity going back to Rome and or Greece is higher than any Celtic or German. Its funny how pro Nordic America uses exclusivly Southern Europeans Architecure in most of all its Buildings. Wether it be Spanish Style as in California, or Roman and Greek (almost all Washington D.C., Capital Building , White House etc.) and claim that these groups are inferior to them either presently or ancestrally.


LOL this has storm front written all over it
And what the hell is Nordic anyway?
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-May-2007 at 16:21
Strictly speaking, it refers to people from Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland, and sometimes Denmark.
For some reason other Europeans are desperate to join this little club.
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