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Some ancient Minoan art.
I like dolphins and these people seemed to also.
 
Minoan Dolphin pithos from Olous (1600 BC).
 
 
Minoan Dolphin Fresco (1500 BC).
 
 
Anybody like?
 


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actaully im a bit of  fan of minion artSmile
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I see it for the first time. It's impressive!
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How did they get those colours???
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Minoans used the plant Crocus to produce ''zafora'', a kind of yellow colour. For the production of the red colour they mixed ''zafora'' with alkaline substances.

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And blue?
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Blue as far as I know from Thyra (Santorini) frescos, was imported from Egypt, it could be the same consept for Minoans too.
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Originally posted by Leonidas

actaully im a bit of  fan of minion artSmile
 
My parents just got back from there (Crete).  I have a little Minotaur on my monitor.
 
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Anton, those minoan girls u posted had cute hairstyles.  Here for u:
 


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Blue as far as I know from Thyra (Santorini) frescos, was imported from Egypt, it could be the same consept for Minoans too.
 
Yes!  Minoans used so much Egyptian elements.  A great blend.
 
This looks kinda Egyptian:
 
King Minos Throne (with benches for his entourage).  The phoenix look cool:
 
Knossos Palace today:
 
And how it was:
 
Very heavy Egyptian influence.
 
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Thanks, Hellios. I wish I could have more friends like you Tongue
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There is a small inaccuracy in one picture that you posted Helios. In Minoan art, only female deities appeared breast-naked. Both, male and female were projected always clothed, an other interested fact in minoan frescoes is that men skin is always red and women's white. 
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Originally posted by Giannis

There is a small inaccuracy in one picture that you posted Helios. In Minoan art, only female deities appeared breast-naked. Both, male and female were projected always clothed, an other interested fact in minoan frescoes is that men skin is always red and women's white. 
 
Kalimera Giannis.
 
If you want please show me some sources about only the female dieties appearing bare-breasted, because tonight I found numerous sources about both (bare-breasted and covered breasts) being normal for Minoan women.
 
Minoan Men, regardless of rank or status, appeared to have favored virtual nudity. They wore belts with small cloth aprons, loin cloths and even short skirts.
 
Yes, I've also seen some with mens skin looking reddish, but No; not all of them.  Men who spent more time in the sun must have been darker since they dressed less than women.  Some Minoan men might have shared North African genes due to proximity with Egypt?
 


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Goodafternoon Helios,
 
 
Men in Minoan art, in contrast, with classical greek, never appeared in ''frontal'' nudity.
 
As for the colour of the skin, I wasn't refered in reality, but in what we see in frescoes.
 
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Originally posted by Giannis

Goodafternoon Helios,
 
 
Men in Minoan art, in contrast, with classical greek, never appeared in ''frontal'' nudity.
 
As for the colour of the skin, I wasn't refered in reality, but in what we see in frescoes.
 
 
Efxaristo for the links.  Just let me know if you want the sources I spoke about (describing Minoan women as both bare & cover breasted).
 
Ah ok, I hadn't made that distinction (regarding male "frontal" nudity) between Minoan & Mainland art, thanks.
 
I think Greek artists tried to depict the realities of their societies well.
 


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That would be interesting! Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Giannis

That would be interesting! Thumbs Up
 
Hi Giannis,
 
 
I'll post the others soon.
 
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Originally posted by Giannis

Blue as far as I know from Thyra (Santorini) frescos, was imported from Egypt, it could be the same consept for Minoans too.
 
Until the discovery of indogo in the Americas, the only way to make a bright blue paint was to use crushed lapis lazuli (which for a long time was indeed only found in Egypt, or traded through Egypt from further east). Of course this made blue a very very expensive colour and it was only used for rich people and in palaces and temples. In the Middle Ages, manuscript illuminations with lots of blue were still prestige items.

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Hi Helios!
 
I'm currently studying the Minoans as part of my Archaeology course and I have to agree with you that some of they're are is beautiful. I especially like the Snake Goddess figurines from Knossos
 
The unusual colour and delicate features show how skilled the craftsman must been.
 
 
 
 
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