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    Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 09:17
Originally posted by jayeshks

Um, those women weren't wives, they were concubines at best. Harems predate Islam and Christianity even and they included the concubines as well as their entourage of servants and relatives.


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Would anybody please inform what was name given to the class of the children of these Concubines among Muslim rulers. Were they differentiated and classified by a particular class/caste or given equal status to the children of the legal wives on the basis of equality practised in Islam?
    
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  Quote Tipu Sultan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 09:33
lol-vivek sharma is a liar and tipu sultan(may Allah accept as the best of the martyers and award him highest place in paradise)died fighting the british on the field.
and yes it was bad muslim kings who went to harem like akbar and shah jahan but not good religious kings like tipu sultan or aurangzeb or mahmoud of ghazni,etc
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  Quote Vedam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 12:21
Originally posted by Tipu Sultan

lol-vivek sharma is a liar and tipu sultan(may Allah accept as the best of the martyers and award him highest place in paradise)died fighting the british on the field.
and yes it was bad muslim kings who went to harem like akbar and shah jahan but not good religious kings like tipu sultan or aurangzeb or mahmoud of ghazni,etc
Tipu Sultan i've been reading your comments for while and was not going to comment but now i really must say something.
First with your exteme anti-Brahmin stance, what exactly are you trying to say???????????
That every Brahmin is evil and every muslim is good? If so then you need to get out more!!!!
Secondly this comment about " Auranzeb and Mahmud of Ghazni being good religious kings" well that is simply your biased opinion and believe me many could argue that smashing and looting other religious peoples places of worship is not particularly admirable. And with regards to Aurangzeb, well this good religious king executed his own brothers to get there saying "Kingship knows no Kinship".
I know good Brahmins and bad Brahmins and i know good muslims and bad muslims, it seems with you, what faith they are is enough to decide. 
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  Quote Tipu Sultan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 12:40
well i am very thankful to mahmoud of ghazni and aurangzeb for they are the ones that helped the untouchables to fight against the brahmins.yes i am an anti-brahmin and i will not deny that and yes there are bad muslims.
ghazni and aurangzeb destroyed only temples where untouchables were not allowed and where the brahmin priests raped untouchable and low caste hindu women.

every hindu(low caste and untouchable)and muslims are proud of ghazni and aurangzeb for they are the ones that destroyed the brahmin superiority in india and gave the ordinary hindu his rights.

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  Quote Vedam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 12:59
I see, and in the case of Mahmud of Ghazni looting Somnath 21 times, and taking back the wealth to Ghazni, well that was just a side bonus was it. Tell me why didn't he distribute  the wealth to those he "liberated."
Talk about one sided and biasedLOL
 


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  Quote Tipu Sultan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 13:04
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good question pal.well you see looting of somanath temple was bad.that was done mainly for feeding his army.

well all brahmins are not bad expecially the brahmins who dont consider the ordinary hindu as low but their number is quiet small.
i often see brahmins pretending to be nice to lower caste these days in front of them but back of them criticize them and still consider them as low.
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  Quote jayeshks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 17:41
Originally posted by AP Singh



I also wanted to say the same thing. Officially they all were Muslims but unofficially they were all not Muslims and thus were not true Muslims. They were making fools of many other Muslims who were fighting and sacrificing their lives for these un-true Muslims for the sake of their religion. Now a days also you may find so many people ( Like politicians) who care a damn about their religion but keep making the religious people fools for their own sake.


Well interpretations change a lot over time.  'Illegitimate' relations were the rule rather than the exception for royal families around the world and most of the time they were treated as totally separate from legal and officially recognized marriages .  I don't see how your idea of what constitutes a true muslim should have any bearing on people in the past.  There've been married popes too, that doesn't make them 'fake christians'. 
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Would anybody please inform what was name given to the class of the children of these Concubines among Muslim rulers. Were they differentiated and classified by a particular class/caste or given equal status to the children of the legal wives on the basis of equality practised in Islam?

This changes from ruler to ruler and the influence of the mother. There are many illegitatimate children from muslim kings all over the world including India that have been treated as equal as a legitimate prince. However there have also been both legitimate and illegitimate children that were pushed aside or killed.
The question can really only be answered on a case by case basis.

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  Quote AP Singh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 05:04
Hi Omar,
You are right. King Soloman was one such example who was born out of one such illegal relationship of his king father with the wife of one of the army officer. When this wife of the officer got pregnant the general was exposed to more dangers in the war and thus got killed. Later the king married the woman and Soloman was born. Later Soloman also had more than 300 hundred wives and more than 700 hundred concubines.
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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 05:21
What are the tales about Shah Jahan & Jahanara ?
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  Quote AP Singh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 05:54
Hi Vivek,
These Mughals never allowed their daughters to marry. The Pricess Jahanara was with the Dara Shikoh with his fight for the throne against Aurangzeb since Dara promised her of reforms that she and other princess will be allowed to marry if he is placed on the throne. Unfortunately dara was killed by Aurangzeb and all these girls remained unmarried. Is it not strange that when these later Mughals used to have so many wives they were torturing their own sisters and daughters by not allowing them to marry.


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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 06:10
There is something more about this subject APji.
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  Quote Tipu Sultan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 20:48
good thing that dara was a pevert always with women and wine.good aurangzeb killed him.
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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 05:19
The princesses of the mughan dynesty were possibly amongst the most un fortunate rich women in the world. They had everything, did everything but could not marry officially !!
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  Quote AP Singh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 06:03
It is found in so many of historical records that many of them had crushes on the various Chieftains of these Mughals but unfortunately there was no warrior king like Prithvi Raj Chauhan was left in India who had the courage to lift Sanyogita and these bunch of slaves serving under Mughals did not have courage to do justice with these most unfortunate women.
    

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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 06:24
Not only chieftains, but tales are told about their affairs within the families themselves.
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  Quote Tipu Sultan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 10:53
prithvi raj chauhan-lol,that upper caste coward-lol,he was killed while fleeing from the battle field.good thing he treated the dalits or untouchables very badly.
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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 23:36
You are wrong dear everybody is not like tipu sultan, the tyrannt traitor.
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  Quote Tipu Sultan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 11:22
lol-chauhan that high caste eounch.star tv is running a episode on him where they are potraying him as a hero-lol,dalit voice i writing to star tv to tell them about the atrocities he commited on the poor dalits.down with brahmanism and brahawasi.Thumbs Down
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  Quote AP Singh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 03:33
Prithvi Raj Chauhan was captured while sleeping. It was trick by Ghori that he sent a request to Prithvi Raj Chauhan that Ghori want to withdraw and that request was accepted by this great warrior. Ghori later acted in a very cheap manner unsuitable to a king and surprised the Chauhan army by attacking in the night. The Great Chauhan was captured while sleeping since he trusted Ghori. Till That date only Arab kings used to attack India and they mostly acted in a manner suitable to the stature of a king by keeping their words but Ghori was different. Later many slaves who were installed on the thrones of Delhi were also very cheap in character like Allauddin Khilji.   
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