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Topic: BMP-3 vs Bradley Posted: 18-Sep-2006 at 16:06 |
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Cryptic
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Posted: 18-Sep-2006 at 23:22 |
I'll take the Bradley. Does the BMP-3 have an equivelant missile to the Bradley's TOW? The 100mm(?) low velocity cannon on the BMP may look impressive, but the Bradley's Bushmaster cannon can pentrate heavy armour as well.
Also, how effective is the crew in the BMP going to be in that cramped turrent? I can't see how they fit the 100mm cannon, the light cannon, ATGMS, a gunner and a commander in that small turrent.
The BMP would be the right choice for African or South American nations who don't face a real armoured threat. The 100mm cannon on the
BMP can take the place of Main Battle Tanks. The Russians should market a BMP light tank version in which the infantry compartment is used to store extra ammo. This might sell well in Africa etc.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 04:30 |
Russia proposed to Greece to co-produce the BMP-3. And Greece faces a good enemy.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 05:40 |
General characteristics
BMP-3 Bradley
Crew - 3+7 3+6
Length - 7,14m 6,55m
Width - 3,20m 3,6m
Heigth - 2,40m 3,0m
Weight - 18700kg 22680kg
Main 100mm gun 25mm cannon
Armament - 30mm autocannon
Secondary - 3x7,62 mm PKT 1x7,62mm
Armament 6 smoke dischargers 1x twin tube TOW
Power Plant - DieselEngine Cummins VTA-903T
500Hp 600Hp
Max Speed - 70km/h 66km/h
Range - 600km 483km
Power/Weigth 27 hp/tonne 19,74 hp/tonne
Service Date - 1990 1981
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Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 10:56 |
Originally posted by xristar
Russia proposed to Greece to co-produce the BMP-3. And Greece faces a good enemy. |
Price might have been a factor in the decision. Greece is a small nation that supports a large / modern Airforce, Navy, and Army. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made.
Also, what kind of IFVs does Turkey have? The BMP-3 is probably a very cost effective weapon to counter Turkish IFVs. If Turkey suddenly bought 500 Warrior IFVs from Britain, would Greece want updated Bradleys?
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Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 14:51 |
Personally i think that BMP-3 is the better machine.First it has a bigger firepower.Yes we know that Bradley has TOW but the new versions of bmp-3 also has anti tank missiles.Bmp-3 is much more maneuvarable and faster than IFV.And i think that even american military admit that Bradley has many problems.
I know one example showing how reliable is BMP-3.Russian army used a few machines for tests in kazakhs's desert.The filtrate of one of BMP-3s was pierced by a mechanic and the desert sand began filling the engine.But the engine of BMP-3 worked for 10 hours full with sand and without any problems.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 18:11 |
Originally posted by Desimir
Personally i think that BMP-3 is the better machine.First it has a bigger firepower.Yes we know that Bradley has TOW but the new versions of bmp-3 also has anti tank missiles.Bmp-3 is much more maneuvarable and faster than IFV.And i think that even american military admit that Bradley has many problems.
I know one example showing how reliable is BMP-3.Russian army used a few machines for tests in kazakhs's desert.The filtrate of one of BMP-3s was pierced by a mechanic and the desert sand began filling the engine.But the engine of BMP-3 worked for 10 hours full with sand and without any problems.
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Both are not all that great. But the Bradley and its big problems were worked out long ago in its growing pains. It still has issues in some areas but is a solid vehicle. You have to remember the Bradley has been around since the 80s and if it was "that bad" it would of been replaced instead of upgraded. Its been used in countless engagements and has stood up fine. The Bradley serves what the american military needs better then the BMP-3.
Both are probably not even the best IFV. The BTR series might be better for the russians even. I know the BMP-3 still uses the carousel of death and if I was an infantryman I wouldnt want to be in one. I've read you cant dismount it very well in combat either which kind of defeats the purpose of an IFV. The Warrior and CV-90 are probably better then both for most of the worlds military. The Germans are working on a new one to which should be pretty decent i'd imagine. The big advantage of the BMP is the Russian lack of money and their willingness to sell it cheap and in large numbers.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 21:53 |
Originally posted by Gundamor
[QUOTE=Desimir] The big advantage of the BMP is the Russian lack of money and their willingness to sell it cheap and in large numbers. |
And the price with relatively good perfmance may make the BMP the most effectiuve IFV relative to cost. U.S. weapons are priced out of the market, even for relatively advanced nations like Chile etc.
I think the BMP 3 line can be expanded alot for African and Latin American markets. Kits allow local users to switch configuations in a few days as needed. The cash and orders will just flow in. They should hire me. Some variants could be....
BMP 3- Standard configuaration
BMP 3 (LT) Light tank - Mini Merkava concept, extra ammo instead of full infantry squad. Room for two dismounts as observers.
BMP Long range LT- No dismounts, extra kevlar lined self sealing fuel tank for long range patrols
BMP-3 ATGM- Internal ATGM missile system, No 100mm cannon
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Posted: 01-Oct-2006 at 16:31 |
Not sure about the BMP-3 but the earlier versions were notoriuous for beating their passengers senceless during cross-country travel. Not really a quality you want in an IFV.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2006 at 17:00 |
The BMP-3 uses a casette autoloader?
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Posted: 01-Oct-2006 at 23:13 |
Originally posted by J.M.Finegold
The BMP-3 uses a casette autoloader?
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The HE Frag rounds in the 100mm are 22 round carousel autoloader. When firing missiles its manual loading and the 30mm auto cannon is belt fed.
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Posted: 02-Oct-2006 at 10:43 |
To be honest, there's not much room in the turret to make it bustle loaded anyways. Nevertheless, I think it's time for the Russians to learn about 'fireproof ammunition slots'.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:45 |
BMP 3 is what I vote for guys.
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