Which is the strongest muslim country at

Now It is mostly accepted Infact no country is doing anything without permission of USA. This is why tiny georgia can harrass russia.

Request all to please use diplomatically correct language. Since anything else would lead to closure of this thread & late we would not even be able to say things politely. Even the most derogatory of things can be said in politically correct words. We are only supposed to discuss fighting capability, not demosnstrate it.

Wouldn't Iran with the Shia dominated regions of Iraq be a better bet ?

Turkey will eventually buy the 120 F-35, but these F-35 won't be equal to the american. That's why Israel is not participating in the F-35 program (as also Greece isn't).

Originally posted by perikles Originally posted by Kerimoglu TURKEY without any doubt!!!   700 000 Standing army Best Special forces between Muslim Armies 460 F 16 only and 150 F 35's is going to come in 3 years Go to globalfire.com and u'll find out an answer to this question I agree with the troops. Where did you find 460 f16? And of course it is out of question that USA is going to give you 150 f-35. Be reasonable. Omergun i haven't said anything insulting about your country. If you think i have please quote it. Don't be blind Turkey is not a super power. You need USA permission to buy weapons, which weapons. Not only Turkey but the 90% of the world countries need USA permissions to do anything. Before USA was UK, Russia and France. IN the next years will be EU and China. This is how the things are. Now if you think this is not true suits you self. I am not going to teach world politics. Believe whatever Sabah and Hyriet write. No offense

What i cant understand is the negative view, nothing else. It is nicer if we are nicer to each other.
If we come to the subject. It is true usa is a strong country. In modern time, countries cannot and dont want to invade other areas directly, T�rkiye is in touch with all countries, not only Usa. Earlier i said i didnt like the former T�rkish Akp goverment policy either, but what im valuing is are the generals and civil peoples thoughts. If government goes wrong way, T�rkish Army will interfere directly, and will cause for another government. Im saying that the Army is more important than Government. You cant show your power with no reason, but T�rkish Army has proven what hes capable of in all examples, like Cyprus, Korea etc.
Im also saying that usa army could never be the strongest, if its soldairs dont believe in their countries policy, or if they dont have love and honour for their country like T�rkish soldairs have. Do you think there is an other example of an army in the world, whitin his soldairs are going to the  army forced, not with salaries, and yet still are willing to diedirectly, to do something for their country? I dont think there is. Guess what kind of disipline this gift gives to an Army. Look to israel, usas pion, how could they not beat Lebanon and Hizbullah? Becaus israelin soldairs dont believe self in their country.
For exemple, if usa wants to attack T�rkiye how do you think their strategie will be like? They arent gonna use airforce only, and they arent gonna use nuke. They are gonna use other countries to put their infantries in. And in a matter like that, all T�rkish republics, and all T�rkish people in other areas of earlier Osmanli Empire, will gather together to one force. My point is this T�rk Force, i dont think no other country, even usa can beat this Force.




Edited by omergun - 05-Oct-2006 at 19:12

NO i cannot. Since Turkey, Greece, Portugal etc are not world powers they are doing whatever their "masters" saying. The masters are the USA, ISRAEL and EU. Now if Turkey do whatever wanted you would have envade Iraq without asking permissionds from USA. Did you dsee my point?

valid point i have to agree.

omergun, you overestimate the devotion of the turkish soldiers, or more exactly you underestimate the devotion of other coutries' soldier to their armies. Unlike what you think, Israeli soldiers did infact believe very much in their cause, and were very eager to fight. It was their government that did not want to fight. Hundreds of israeli officers and soldiers signed a letter for the government, complaining for its indeciciveness. The same happens for all nations, where the people believe in their governments.

And Hezbollah is good for nothing. Infact If a war happens(a real war), hezbollah had no chance against israel.

Originally posted by Mortaza And Hezbollah is good for nothing. Infact If a war happens(a real war), hezbollah had no chance against israel.   Even last war showed, They cannot do much. Hezbollah gain a moral war, not militaristic war.

Your right, but thats not what i meant. I didnt say Hizbullah is a strong force, my point was about israel. i think israel couldnt win this war because their soldairs didnt believe in it. They had no motive, usa and israel are talking about a peaceful Middle-East, but thats not what they want and what they do. In the time of Osmanlı Empire there was justice in Middle-East, look how it now is. But still usa cant control it. This is a good example of point.