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    Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 03:20
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 03:30
Originally posted by Gun Powder Ma

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Pakistan has nukes. End of discussion.


Peasants with nukes, that's what I find so disturbing.

I would send them all to ethnics lessons, but they believe that mastering the necessary technology is already enough for handling these weapons. These states with their medieval mind-set really need to catch up on the ethnical side, too. An ape with a machine gun is still an ape, if you ask me.
Medieval mindset? Howso? You have made a statement, justify it. War is something which is very modern and very current. And the use of nuclear weapons is something modern too.
 
An ape with a machine gun is still an ape, but an ape can't manufacture a machine gun. A nuclear power is country like a player with a trump card. No matter how strong militarily or economically any other country, the nuke multiply that with zero. A nuclear power can't be bossed around easily. Why do you think no one in the US wants Iran as a nuclear power. Its not that all of a sudden the US Nuclear deterrence is ineffective, just that US ability to influenece Iran would be severly jepordized.
 
Fortunatly for everyone involved none of the present nuclear powers, are interested in expansion (with the exception of India perhaps). The real trouble will be when a nuclear power will have expansionist designs against a non nuclear state.
 
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The answer is not clear for thread.Pakistan has nukes and a good army,air forces,Iran is a petrol exporter country and did a lot of investment about defence but most of aircrafts out of order and armament quality is not clear.
Turkey is in an economical crisis decade and this situation effected its defence consumptions too.But Turkish armed forces is good.I think Turkey is weak about air defence except F-16 fighters.
Pakistan,Turkey,İran are candidates but the answer is not  really clear...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 04:55
The US is not afraid of nuke capability being aquired by more people. I think they just want to prevent what they call rougue states from aquiring them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 07:23
Off course Bosnia is, we survived fighting in middle of christian sea for 300+ years.Can Indonesia a then colony of Netherlands say something like that.


But, since nobody put what really counts in army and thats heart, where we win, i would have to be serious, like i wasnt so far,and give my ranking.

1)Turkey i think they are really strong, jets and all, technique is good, weak naval power though, but i guess they always were weak there.

2)Iran much better navy then Turkey.Weaker airforce.Moral, i think they have lot of those.Artilery they are matched with Turks.Long range missiles, hands on winner Iran.

3)Pakistan well without nukes, it still has one of five best airforces in the world.And it does have nukes.And expirienced, mountain fighter Kashmir issue.It is formidable foe, and those that put Indonesia, above Pakistan are wrong

4)Egypt, good army, but they could achieve better and bigger things, if only they didnt have incompetent ruler like Sadat, and lately Mubarak

Then i would say

Indonesia
Malaysia
Kazakhstan


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 08:43
Bosnians didn't loose from Serbs?
Samos national guard.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 08:52
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weak naval power though, but i guess they always were weak there.

2)Iran much better navy then Turkey.Weaker airforce.
What is your argument???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 09:49
I really wonder that what equipment of Iran navy does more powerful than
turkish navy?How many frigates,destroyer,submarine Iran navy have ?
I don't agree...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 10:00
me to...
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/ships.htm

http://www.turkishnavy.net/

Iran has 6 submarine,3 frigates(not powerful)2 corvettes and fast attack boats...
Turkey has 12 submarine + 1 constructing
19 frigates 8 meko 200,8 perry,3 knox
6 corvettes,a lot of patrol ships,fast attack boats...
How can Iran navy be more powerful?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 10:15
and also,we product ourselves attack boats...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 10:19
I also wanna add that topic is the most powerful muslim country,someone
compares the most powerful christian country???
Saudi Arabia is a rich country and spent a lot of money for modern weapons
but this consumptions don't guarantee the army so powerful.In 1990 ,When
Iraq invaded Kuveyt,S. Arabia had have F-15 fighters,etc modern weapons ...
Why did they want to help from the US?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 12:30
Originally posted by Batu

i agree with celestial.Turkey has the most experienced and best commandos in the world.
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It seems you didn't read his post. His post was with an entirely different content.

And I must say that he gave reasons why he thinks that while you make ignorant statements with no reasons.
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Im thinking overall, navy isnt just ''boats'' but all sea worthy equipment, and on this issue Iran is clearly few steps ahead of Turkey.Few more steps, to be precise.With latest groung breaking naval thorpedo, i think they achieved that.

I said ''christian '' Sea.We defeated Serbs each and every time, since dark ages, and yes thank you again mister ''Boutros Boutros Ghali and Yasushi Akashi, for imposing arms embargo on Bosniaks, while we were dying, and couldnt even defend ourself.

For more those who like or love history just type

Bosnia 1737
Bosnia 1791

Bosnia 1834

You might be interested in what you might read then.I dare you to type that in your google machines.

Further more, i dont wish to argue.If you really can demonstrate complete and total naval achievments of Turkish army, or better yet navy, comparing to toys Iran already has one, well then im ready to listen.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Sep-2006 at 01:00
In pure army & air force terms, why do we forget Kazakhstan ? They even had nuclear weapons, much more than Pakistan, which claims strength based on  nukes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Sep-2006 at 01:34
i heard turkey has nukes from the usa.
 
during the coldwar there were missilse stationed on the blacksea shores of turkey
 
howmuch of this is true?
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A navy's force must measure with its war platforms and their quality,quantity...To say Iran Navy is powerful because they have a underwater rocket or torpedo probably copy of  russian va111 ,not a right focusing to the subject, i think.For example A country has 1000 M1-A2 tanks
and B country has 4000 RPG-7 ,with your focusing style B country more powerful???If we discuss about Turkish navy and Iran navy ,this is real fault...If you say Turkish and Greek navy,it's discussable but Turkish-Iran navy comparement is only ridiculous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Sep-2006 at 04:54
Originally posted by xi_tujue

i heard turkey has nukes from the usa.
 
during the coldwar there were missilse stationed on the blacksea shores of turkey
 
howmuch of this is true?
 
US has stationed nukes on Turkey's soil, is the correct expression. Not that Turkey has nuclear weapons.
 
 
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