Northern Turkmen vs. Turkish and Azeri.

To clarify that there's not that much similarity Turkish people think their language has got with Turkmen, I've started this topic to explain the different cases these languages differ.

That's about it for the time being. I need more time to compare them.

Thanks also to let me know about Turkish and Ottoman languages difference.

The word turk is one of the most used & used misused words. Everybody who want to win claims to be a turk & turks claim everybody who won sometime against somebody to be turk.

'Kadar' is of Arabic origin.

I know what you mean. But it's obvious the grammatical structure in two languages are not the same.

Edited by gok_toruk - 14-Sep-2006 at 03:33

I might have got limited knowledge about the history of Anatolian Turkish (not Turkmen) lanaguage; but 'em', for sure is of Iranian origin. In fact, in Turkic, suffixes were not used to point to the subject (like the one you mentioned in Anatolian Turkish). The equivalent in Turkic lanaguges is 'im' which is barrowed from Iranian. In old Alatic, 'in' was used. So, your 'in' is Altaic; but not 'em'. No such a word 'variyorkenEM' has been recorded in old Turkic documents.

By the way, 'qa' and 'cha' were not used, in old Turkic, at the same time. It's not used in Central Asia, today either.

Edited by gok_toruk - 18-Sep-2006 at 12:30

Well, you're free to conclude the way you like. I've listed SOME of the difference. What you're talking about is regional difference. Please invest more time on these posts (of mine) and you'll see these are distinctions in STRUCTURE.

It's not unusual to see a Turk disagreeing on this topic.

What do you mean 'Turkish'? 'Turkish' is just a member of Turkic family; just like the way 'Turkmen' is. We all speak Turkic, but not the same dialects. You can't say two language are the same, while their structures are not the same. I'd suggest, first reading '9 Oghuz vs Sihun Oghuz'. These were two different geographical groups.

Gok-tork have been claming that he is asking questions and no one answered them. As it seems his questions are very confusing. I'd like to put it this way, rather than quoting his posts.

He said there were two different Oghuz tribes. Indeed. But remember Arab and Persian travellers used to misterm ancient Uyghurs as Toqquz Oghuz. As Uyghurs were composed of nine inner tribes themselves.

Among numorous Tura tribes, there were nine Tura tribes (Oghuz being one of them), they were also called as outer nine Uyghur tribes. As Chinese used to call jiuxing Tiele directly as Jiuxing Huihu.

Seyhun Oghuzs were the earlier migrants to become the main part of western Kok-turk. While the migration of the outer nine Uyghur tribes was much later(9th-10th century)

I think Gok-toruk wants to diffrenciate the later oghuzes (Part of Uyghur confederacy) from the earlier Oghuzes. The point is whatever the differences they had during the course of time, they both were Oghuz. Currently their languages are classified as Oghuz branch.

Salur is one of the Seyhun Oghuz tribes. History recorded their migration to the east from the Hazar region to come to the present day Turkmanstan region.

Gok-toruk is also neglecting the apparent cultural differences that nomadic and settled people can have, even if they are the exactly the same stock.

BTW, Mehmut Qeshqeri mentioned only 22 oghuz tribes. He didn't say Toxsi or Yaghma was the most correct form of Turkic languages, rather he said "Haqaniye Turk Tili" was the most correct form.

In the end, I suggest Gok-toruk to list of the tribal names of these Turkic people with the time period. As the names of the tribes changes through the history, and also they tend to sub-branch.






    

Edited by barbar - 20-Sep-2006 at 11:20