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    Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 06:43

The following is a quote from an ex-CIA agent:

"I quit the agency at the end of the Cold War because I was tired of politicians making me describe the Soviet Union as a 20-foot giant -- when it was really only a dwarf."

 

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  Quote babyblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 09:34
         was it really a dwarf? was the might of the USSR grossly over-exaggerated? consider how easy it collapsed...perhaps..
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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 16:38
 No, but I do know the USSR never for a second seriously considered using nukes, unless USA attacked first. NEVER. And the Cuban missile crisis was fake, real rocket engines, wooden warheads. Grandfather was one of the main guys in charge of the project.
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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 20:36
Well, of course someone at the end of the Cold War would say that, but the Cold War when Stalin was in the Kremlin I'm sure was much scarier.
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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Dec-2004 at 17:11
 Stalin even tried to keep the fragile WW2 alliance together by not saying Hitler is dead in order to unite the Allies agaisnt Nazis. And he ordered Zhukov(who was forcing American troops to retreat with threats and assebling hisa rmy to attack them) to stop, so as not to provoke atomic retaliation.
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  Quote Illuminati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 02:41
American Cold War strategy AKA NSC 68 which was finally adopted by Truman was a report about the USSR and its strength and influence.

The report made the USSR seem much bigger and much more powerful than it really was. It called for the US to "Oppose and contain" the spread of communism wherever it may be.

Teh doctrine was so hard line....that it was dangerous. but eventually, it did bring down the USSR.
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  Quote J.M.Finegold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Dec-2004 at 23:44
Did you know that before the advent of Aegis on the American ships American RADAR couldn't pick up the traces of the SS-N-19 shipwreck missile, which skimmed at twenty feet above the surface of the water.  Also, it's said that the Yahkont sea-skimmer was also able to get past American RADAR, although I doubt it could get past Aegis.  Additionally, the Russians were the only ones to test the SuCav (Super Cavitating) torpedo, which had a velocity of 200knots (with a distance of some ten kilometers). 

It's been said that the US Pacific and Atlantic fleets could have been destroyed in the first three days of war - however, I am skeptical of this.  In any case, the Soviet Union, as a military giant, was a grave thread, and had we gone to war (assuming nuclear warheads were not used) the United States would have had a tought time overthrowing the bear, and the bear may have possibly defeated the high flying eagle.
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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 17:44
 The only way war would ahve happenned is if USA would ahve attacked first. Also with a population much bigger than ours we would not be that much of a threat. Still no one would survive the nukes, so it doesn't matter.
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 18:19
nukes are the great equalizer in all things, which is why I beleive the only reasonabel way to bring about world peace is to proliferate the world with nukes and make sure every country has a stockpile capable of hitting every other country.  There is a reason wars where so much more horrific before WW2, and that was that the fear of nukes did not keep people in line.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 18:52
And then there was an error on the radar, the "attacked" country nukes back, and the cockroaches will rule the world.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Dec-2004 at 16:57

Hi everyone, I am a student in Dublin currently doing the international baccalaureate and i'am researching topics on the cold war for a essay, which counts for a fair part of my grade. I'am wondering if you guys could help me slightly with coming up with essay titles. You see i'am interested in the cuban missle crisis and i find most parts of the cold war interesting. so would you guys perhaps help me come up with some ideas for titles or you could just tell me to get lost.

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  Quote Winterhaze13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Dec-2004 at 17:19
I think the greatest Soviet threat to the United States was Communism, which challenged American and western political and economic structure. The Soviet Union was never really a strong economic power and they were never really in the arms race either. Therefore, their may be some truth to that.
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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Dec-2004 at 17:38
 Did you find this by Googling Cold War?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Dec-2004 at 18:01

no i didn't find this by googling the cold war. Im just intersted in discussing and debating History and viewing other peoples opinions on history. what was the question for?

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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Dec-2004 at 19:56
 Nothing NM. My opinion is way too long to fully write here, but here's the short version: both sides bad Soviet Union is lesser of two evils.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Dec-2004 at 20:08

dark_one:

Could you elaborate a little? Most people (myself included) see the USSR as the "lesser of two evils", although I have never heard a Russians opinion on it.

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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2004 at 13:36
 Well dont have much time now but heres a slightly longer version:
Both countries were empires that wanted to dominate the world with the biggest differrence between them being that one tried to create the biggest income disparity possible and cared little for it's people unless they were rich, the other cared for most (Im saying that because high ranking party members and generals obviously had their perks) by instituting high welfare, free ducation and free pretty much everything. The things that were not free were food and luxuries, Food was easliy bought (untill the late 1986 and up to around 1993 when people starved) and luzuries such as enterainment were harder to buy but still affordable ( a person could afford to go to movies or restaraunt once a week or so) and cars were given out by government (not in theory but without government you couldn't get car). With what capitalism has done to Russia in the recent years, how poor we are, how the common man can no longer afford to keep himself healthy and educated, and how for the majority any sort of entertainment is all but unafordable. This in turn has caused gang activity and urban decay, which is somethign AMerica has been living with for decades. Putin's programs are having some positive effect, but it's still a long way to go. Now compare it with the sucess that was socialism and you have my opinion.
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  Quote Jagatai Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Dec-2004 at 01:48
Although Stalin and Lenin are the men who I hate  most(expect Hitler),Although the Soviet Union was the most imperialist state in the world(they saw USA is the most imperialist),I admire Soviet Union.For their successfull resistance against wild Capitalism and the USA.
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  Quote cattus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Dec-2004 at 02:10
successfull resistance.. with what, corruption?
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Dec-2004 at 02:36
yeah and remember, they lost in the end, not due to any historical event, but because of the unsustainablility of their system.  If the Soviets had ended up being moderate socialists who cooperated in full scale international trade they could have been much more sucessful.
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