ALEXANDER, where should I start with the

http://www.makedonija.info/propaganda.html

Eumenes of Cardia: A Greek Among Macedonians http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0391042092/103-0251031-3045 448?n=283155

You say my sources are biased.  And you think yours is not?

yazzmode621, except trolling the topic have you got anything useful to add?

The topic if you havent noticed is about the inaccuracies of the movie about Alexander and not another place to bring up more flame wars.

The ethnicity of ancient Macedonians and anything related to the modern dispute about FYR Macedonia is an entirely different issue and part of the blacklisted topics on AE.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10675&am p;PN=1&FID=38&PR=3

Now everybody get back to the topic.

ummm ... children ...

what's with all the name-calling? come on ... i was reading this thread with great interest when i suddenly noticed the change in eveyone's attitude. Would we all mind putting name calling to one side, not lose our temper, and just carry on with a civilized discussion (hey, we're all forebears of civilization here, aren't we now?). Seriously, everyone's idea is interesting and respectable, as long as it is not offensive or insulting to others.

So, let's just carry on, shall we?

btw ... just for the record : i didn't like the movie one bit !!

(i know i know, i'm new here ... so what??) )

Are we now into the childish "he-started-first" game? Instead of doing that make your self-criticism on your contribution on the topic's issue or the absense of it, and you will get what i meant precisely.

I would have to reiterate that the focus of the thread had to do with the movie.  This is not the place to discuss the origin of the Macedonians and Alexander himself.  There are already good threads for that.  Please divert your discussions to those threads, otherwise I will have this thread locked. 

The answer to your question has been addressed sometime before you came to these forums.  Please refer to the "Alexander did not care about Helenism nor Helenization" thread on page 10 of the Ancient Mediterranean and Europe thread.  I cannot tell you where exactly to look but it is there.

lol so they called macedonians ionians?

the yauna part is right, but why would they call them ionian greeks? macedon was not in ionia.

i am asking why the persians classified them as ionians. that is what im asking.

this is ionia (what is now the western coast of turkey):

macedonia was located on mainland greece, not in ionia.

so why did the perisans call them ionian greeks? that is what i am asking.

Now I know where Lesbians come from.  lol.

The existence of a satrapy in Europe, called 'Skudra', is known from Persian inscriptions (B44, 58f), 'Lands beyond the sea', that is beyond the waters of Asia Minor from the Persian point of view, were recorded in an inscription on the terrace-wall of Persepolis c. 513 B.C and a satrapy 'Skudra' was mentioned in a egyptian record of c.498-7 B.C and then on a list on Darius' tomb at Naqsh-i Rustam, c.486. The name 'Skudra' was probably Phrygian for the homeland, later called Thrace, which the Phrygians had left in migrating to Asia. The peoples of the satrapy were named c.492 B.C as three: 'Saka Paradraya', meaning 'Sacae (a general name for Scythian-type people) beyong the sea', probably the Getae, who resembled the Scythians in customsand equipment; the 'skudra' themselves, mainly Thracians; and 'Yauna Takabara' or Ionians [Viz. Greeks] with a shield-like hat' The last were mentioned also on glazed bricks at the palace at Susa. Some scholars have supposed that the Sacae 'beyond the sea' were Scythian peoples of the Crimea whom Darius had subjugated, but it seems improbable that Persia did hild that area, and that if she id it was assigned to 'Skudra' rather than to the territories in Georgia, centred on Tbilisi. Envoys from 'Skudra' bringing tribute carried two javelins, a long knife and a small round shield, which were characteristic of Thracian troops later (See Pls. Vol., p1,.40 XIX.
The Greek-speaking people with the shield-like hat were the Macedones, renowned for wearing the sun-hat, as Alexander I did on his fine coins from 478 B.C (look above). The Greek-speaking citizens of the colonial city states on the seaboard were not mentioned; nor did they wear a sun-hat.

Source: Cambridge Ancient History Vol 4

any other question as about the Yauna ?