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    Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 10:27
Originally posted by HulaguHan

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These Semitic guys such as Assyrians, Egyptians, Sumerians, Babylonians are your real brothers. Arabs were living and establishing countries before islam man.

And they continue living in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, etc...

what this has to do with this topic?!!

also ancient Egyptians were not semitic as far as i know

 

 
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You should see my blog on Alexander

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Ohh Alexander has always been potrayed wrongly so are Greeks, which is a true crime. They are always potrayed to look more like Northern Europeans cause they try to claim they are from this type of culture etc Greeks are Greeks, and he was not Greek he was Thracian and Macedonian
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Basically what they are looking to do is to prove that this is their heritage, that they come from a long line of western civilization dating back to the Greeks, cause we all know northern Europe was not really civlized until after the Roman empire.
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More likely its down to US demographics me thinks.
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yeah, but I still think they should have chosen actors which look Greek, There are many in the US. as well as many Iranians or at-least semi-Iranian looking people, not blacks.
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How about Billy Crystal.
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NOt a perfect fit, but MUCH better than the actors they chose.

Sean connery also wouldn't be a bad choice.
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Making Roxana black(!) makes about as much sense as making alexander himself black. How about casting Morgan Freeman as the next alexander. Now that, I would like to see. The ancient Bactrians were probably no darker and maybe lighter then those ancient pre-slav Greeks( the region is about -20 for half the year!) For those who say it is a small matter, why is there such a fuss about Alexanders homosexual potrayal from the greek side. It matters bacause it contributes to the underlying subconcious views of people. Those Greeks genuinly interested in real history should protest about this as much as about their own issues, otherwise the visible bias detracts from their arguments a little. Historical revisionism does us all a disservice.

 

On a seperate issue, Luke Goss! as the persian king in that upcoming movie. Is this the guy from Bros- the pop band!

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did anyone else find it hilarious that the Persians spoke English with an accent, but the Greeks spoke perfect fluent English ???

What a sad movie that was.

I hate to think that I wasted my time watching it.

 
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come on!!!
I think that Alexander was by far the most historical accurate film hollywood presented-and i dont think there could be smth more accurate.

If anyone here had read ancient sources ,he could recognize huge parts of the script were just a transcription from the ancient writers!!

Ok,we could find some accuracies ,-like black Roxani(anyway she had a magnificent body) - but these are of minor significance.

I found the film boring-except Gaugamela battle which i think was the most exciting ancient battle i have ever seen.
But the main failure ,ithink,was the fail to present the real vision of Alexander.
The film was concentrated on his relationship with Hephaistion- i dont deny it of course-but Alexander was far more things than that-Good and Bad things..
And the man was always desperate,a mom's boy !

Anyway..although as a total i didnt like the film,i think only documentaries (and not all) can reach its accuracy.
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I agree with Digenis.The film is very ACCURATE

Except for the parts with Hephestion and Bagoas,the film was not boring.Especially the battle of Gaugamela has become my favorite battle in cinema.I can't stop watching this battle.
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Originally posted by Kamran the Great

did anyone else find it hilarious that the Persians spoke English with an accent, but the Greeks spoke perfect fluent English ???



Have you ever played "Rome Total War"?
There all the other ancient people (Greeks,Parthians,ETC)  speak with funny accent, when Romans speak english like John Rambo

Always the "good guys" speak like "us"
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no the movie was highly inaccurate:

1) alexander did not have blonde hair and blue eyes.

2) alexander was not trying to spread democracy and freedom

3) the movie only showed the "good" things alexander did.

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Originally posted by Iranian41ife

no the movie was highly inaccurate:

1) alexander did not have blonde hair and blue eyes.

2) alexander was not trying to spread democracy and freedom

3) the movie only showed the "good" things alexander did.



1)Alexander's hair color is not certain.Most claim that it was fairy blond,others mainly based on Pompey's "battle of Issos" mosaic claim that it was brown/black.

2)Yes he was-either he really was or it was just propaganda.

3)like what ?
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Originally posted by Digenis



1)Alexander's hair color is not certain.Most claim that it was fairy blond,others mainly based on Pompey's "battle of Issos" mosaic claim that it was brown/black.

the blond hair thing is western propaganda that came up in western films depicting the white man conquering the orients and stuff like that.

most logical people know his hair was black/brown.

Originally posted by Digenis



2)Yes he was-either he really was or it was just propaganda.

no he wasnt, infact, he destroyed democracy in greece before he went on his campaign in Persia.

Originally posted by Digenis



3)like what ?

the good things or the bad things?
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Like it or not is the most historical accurate movie about Alexander ever made. Almost every scene is taken from ancient historical books - even the scene with Bagoas.  The bold view of Alexander's bisexualy for me is a plus
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Originally posted by Aegipan

Like it or not is the most historical accurate movie about Alexander ever made. Almost every scene is taken from ancient historical books - even the scene with Bagoas.  The bold view of Alexander's bisexualy for me is a plus

lol, accurate with some propaganda and and some classical western bias thrown in.
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Originally posted by Digenis



1)Alexander's hair color is not certain.Most claim that it was fairy blond,others mainly based on Pompey's "battle of Issos" mosaic claim that it was brown/black.

the blond hair thing is western propaganda that came up in western films depicting the white man conquering the orients and stuff like that.

most logical people know his hair was black/brown.

Originally posted by Digenis



2)Yes he was-either he really was or it was just propaganda.

no he wasnt, infact, he destroyed democracy in greece before he went on his campaign in Persia.

Originally posted by Digenis



3)like what ?

the good things or the bad things?



1) "Alexander had light skin, blond hair,and melting blue eyes.."
Plutarch -Alexander

Ok, i suppose ancient historians are not among "all logical" people.

2)Alexanders propaganda-and partially true -was firstly that he was bringing freedom to the Greek cities of Asia -and revenge for the Persian Invasion in Greece.
And accept it or not the cities he founded brought civilization to the far eastern areas of his empire.

3)both
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Originally posted by Digenis



1) "Alexander had light skin, blond hair,and melting blue eyes.."
Plutarch -Alexander


Ok, i suppose ancient historians are not among "all logical" people.

your source?

Originally posted by Digenis



2)Alexanders propaganda-and partially true -was firstly that he was bringing freedom to the Greek cities of Asia -and revenge for the Persian Invasion in Greece.

he wasnt bringing freedom to anyone, he was conquering them, just like he conquered the greek city states, and savagly kept them under his control.

alexander destroyed democracy in greece, he wasnt a friend to the other greek cities, he was trying to conquer them all, just the same as he was trying to do with persia.

Originally posted by Digenis


And accept it or not the cities he founded brought civilization to the far eastern areas of his empire.

how dare you talk to us about civilisation?

alexander destroyed civilisation, he didnt bring it.

Originally posted by Digenis



3)both

the destruction of countless persian texts and the burning of perspolis.

the movie just made him look like a hero, when in reality there is nothing heroic about him.

if he is a hero than so is ghenghis khan, attila the hun, etc...
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