A former Premier of Macedonia: I am a bul

Great news.

One Macedonian pursuaded, 1 999 999 more to go. Keep up the good work, Charge!

It's something pretty natural... History built on lies can't live long

If he has to prove his parent's are Bulgarian, and can... then isn't he Bulgarian regardless of whether of not there's a Slavic Macedonian nation or not?

Your argument of describing Macedonians as Bulgarians is flawed, because you are missing one very important point - namely that most Macedonians do not conisder themselves Bulgarian - in fact most would resent the idea of being Bulgarian.

The alleged Bulgarianness of Macedonians is usually centered around linguistic arguments about the similarities between the Bulgarian and Makedonian languages. But such arguments again are flawed. As a counterexample to such arguments one could invoke the Austria-Germany parallel - both Austria and Germany speak the same language, but the Austrian people are generally considered distinct from the German people. 

"...The alleged Bulgarianness of Macedonians is usually centered around linguistic arguments about the similarities between the Bulgarian and Makedonian languages. But such arguments again are flawed."

The alleged Turkishness of the inhabitants of Kyrdzhali region is usually centered around linguistic arguments about similarities between the Turkish and East-Rhodopian languages. But such arguments are again flawed...
The population of the Eastern Rhodopes are in fact descendants of the Thracian tribes, mainly Odrissians, they had an enormous contribution to the classic world, including Orpheos. They have nothing to do with the turco-mongols. How do you like that?

Just imagine, my friend(candidate for proud descendant of Orpheos) that the so "loved" by you "Vyzroditelen proces" continued 70 years, what would be impact on your ethnic turkish consciousness? Would this make you "an ancient thracian" or something?

And BTW, the presence of the Turkish state in the Rhodopes is shorter, than that of the Bulgarian in Macedonia.
    

Edited by Desperado - 11-Aug-2006 at 08:02

Modern Bulgarians are escential Tartars,Thracians and Macedonians.

Tartars are easilly distinguised from Thracians and Macedonians, with there asiatic featurres, asian eyes and large cheeck bones.  Watch Planeta TV and you will see most of  Bulgarian Singers carry this feture. Most Bulgarians are ethnic Macedonians in every concivable aspect except name.

Originally posted by Desperado But such arguments are again flawed... The population of the Eastern Rhodopes are in fact descendants of the Thracian tribes, mainly Odrissians, they had an enormous contribution to the classic world, including Orpheos. They have nothing to do with the turco-mongols. How do you like that?

Have I claimed I am an ancient Thracian ever in this forum? My origins are from the Konya region in Turkey, my ancestors settled in the Balkans around  the 15th-16th century. I also have some mixtures from Lebanon.

Just imagine, my friend(candidate for proud descendant of Orpheos) that the so "loved" by you "Vyzroditelen proces" continued 70 years, what would be impact on your ethnic turkish consciousness? Would this make you "an ancient thracian" or something?

The vazroditelen process attempted to make us bulgarian through violant assimilation and forceful pursuasion. As expected, it failed. The barbaric practice of choosing another man's name for them, banning their language and religion could not have continued for too long, it was already drawing international condemnation. On the other hand Macedonians define themselves as such today as free man through their own choosing, and unless you employ the same assimilatory policies against them, I fail to see how you will purusuade them in their alleged "Bulgarianness". I tremble in trepidation even contemplating the idea of pursuading the above individual in his Bulgarianess.

And BTW, the presence of the Turkish state in the Rhodopes is shorter, than that of the Bulgarian in Macedonia.

The Turkish state was never present in the Rhodopes. The Turkish nation never existed prior to the 1920s. And when exactly was the last time Macedonia was part of Bulgaria? 12th century?


Edited by bg_turk - 11-Aug-2006 at 13:34

"Have I claimed I am an ancient Thracian ever in this forum? My origins are from the Konya region in Turkey, my ancestors settled in the Balkans around the 15th-16th century. I also have some mixtures from Lebanon."
No, you're a Thracian(from the very ancient ones). I've seen East-Rhodopians: they don't look Asian, like us the turco-mongols-so they're Thracians.

Of course everyone has the right for self-determination. But....to steal parts from the history of his neighbours, to "invent" historical myths and new languages for his particular political needs-it's acrime. Even without the repressions and violence which had occured anytime the ruling nation in Macedonia changed.

" I tremble in trepidation even contemplating the idea of pursuading the above individual in his Bulgarianess."-Well i see from now that Komnenos will be a really hard case.
I'm not trying to persuade anyone in anything, but I'm tired of reading science fiction stories presented like the only true and holy history. Just look at the post of jovan_tasevski:"bulgarians have stealed the language from macedonians and occupy a part of macedonia". Is this normal? As long as you consider the language of this person(and mine too) as the language of Alexander The Great, for me you're a Thracian-and no neo-Ottoman and pan-turkic propaganda can convince me in the opposite

Originally posted by The Chargemaster Thank you bg_turk. You prove yourself that i am right - now is clear to me that the roots of your problem with the bulgarian people are hidden in the communistic "rebirth" process between 1984 - 1989.

You are wrong. My problem is not with the Bulgarian people, my problem is with those that try to make people seem Bulgairan against their will.

Yeah!  He really looks like that!