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    Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 18:49
Originally posted by Bulldog



If you speak Turkish as a mother tongue, have a Turk identity, percieve, feel and are accepted as a Turk, share Turkic heritage and culture, your a TURK plain and simple. No need for genetic tests, DNA tests or anything else, ethnically they are Turks that;s the end of the story. Turks don't denote themselves by race, it's not in their culture to, its an accepting nation and welcoms those who become Turks.

Turks in Turkey are Turks, are original Turks, are real Turks end of story.
 
 
Turks are what we are, indeed. As a national identity, Turkishness IS the only one proper identity in anatolia. Any propaganda or activist movement based on DNA tests or scientific sources would be ridiculous, since all national identities are fabricated things, whose so-called realities are so easy to disprove.
 
But... DNA tests and scientific sources are quite useful to the Historians who want to learn the truth. Population movements throughout history, for instance. It's also undeniable fact that DNA tests and scientific sources pretty much explain the cultural and ethnic diversity of Turkey. which doesn't mean that It has to change the identity. Turkey will remain as Turkey and its people will always be called Turks. 
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The reason many scientist are calling the Turks in Turkey ,Turkish and the other people as Turkic, is related to different culture that the Turkic people have. Genetic is not the main factor to call you Turk or Rumli, that is your culture , you, guys, are Turk because you belive that. It is ok but your culture is only realted to european Turks and Turks of Kipris, you are not even close to your eastern neighbors azerbaijanies. so there should be a way to call you diffrently  from the others. Human nature prefer to live closely with peopel who are close to them phisically and culturally, that is why you guys are feeling better with greeks and Bulgars.Azerbaijanies feel better with persians, turkmens are closer to Uzbeks or even Tajiks. Qazak are diiferent from all above mentioned groups. and the other point is that when you guys call yoursleves as Turks , it does not mean the Azerbaijanies or Turkmen donot have right to call themselves as Turks.

I have seen this one very frequently that the pan turks from Turkey consider themselves as the big brothers for others. This makes me feel sick. even if we all call ourselves Turk we are too much different. I bet you even you donot know the basic things abouthe culture, music, foods, of the second largest population of Turks in the word. in your education system it is tried to hide this fact there were a turkic group in your eastern borders who fought for  a long time only to be independent from Ottoman empire,  why because the both side knew that they were too different.
End of the story european(Anatolian turks) have differnt culture from Asians(Turkmens, Azeries, Uzbeks, Uyghurs).So how do you guys consider atilla related to Turkey?
 
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Shinai, Turkey is something like "united folks", which means, in every 300 km, culture and phenotype change dramatically.
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Genetic is not the main factor to call you Turk or Rumli, that is your culture , you, guys, are Turk because you belive that. It is ok but your culture is only realted to european Turks and Turks of Kipris, you are not even close to your eastern neighbors azerbaijanies. so there should be a way to call you diffrently  from the others. Human nature prefer to live closely with peopel who are close to them phisically and culturally, that is why you guys are feeling better with greeks and Bulgars.Azerbaijanies feel better with persians, turkmens are closer to Uzbeks or even Tajiks.
 
It would be better if you started accepting that these are your subjective views, instead of imposing them as if they're the reality and accepted reality.
 
 Language is one of the most important entities which give an identity. With language come's culture and other factor's they are all interlinked.
 
Turks "national root" is Central Asia, as it is where the language and the culture which accompanies it is originally from.
 
If you feel so strongly regarding Turks of Azerbaycan go tell that to the state, officially they regard Turkey Turks as Turks like them.
 
"Iki Devlet Bir Millet", "two countries one Nation" its a national phrase for goodness sake, what is it with this obession of trying to put a pole between the two.
 
Your quick to try and find any connection to anybody else but when it come's to links between Turks you run a mile.
 
Again, you may feel this way but another Iran Torke can have completely the opposite views, your an individual and do not speak on behalf of everybody, your not the only Turk not from Turkey here.
 
 
 
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Qazak are diiferent from all above mentioned groups. and the other point is that when you guys call yoursleves as Turks , it does not mean the Azerbaijanies or Turkmen donot have right to call themselves as Turks.
 
They're all Turks, nobody said otherwise, its not Turks of Turkey trying to hide this fact, it's been a century old Soviet policy.
 
Shina
I have seen this one very frequently that the pan turks from Turkey consider themselves as the big brothers for others.
 
You think Pan-Turkists are only from Turkey? some key Pan-Turkists are actually from other Turkic area's, it's not Turkey Turks who said that, it was Ismail Gaspirali a Turk-Muslim Crimean Turk activist.
 
 
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 I bet you even you donot know the basic things abouthe culture, music, foods, of the second largest population of Turks in the word. in your education system it is tried to hide this fact there were a turkic group in your eastern borders who fought for  a long time only to be independent from Ottoman empire,  why because the both side knew that they were too different.
 
Yet more nonsense, your talking about two State's, who had pollitical religous issues, not ethnic problems. Today do Azerbaycan and Turkey have any problems? no, because they arn't a theocracy anymore and as both are Turks and religion isn't the key agenda they have no problems.
 
Besides, nobody benefits from sectarian violence, do you like what's going on in Iraq.
 
 
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End of the story european(Anatolian turks) have differnt culture from Asians(Turkmens, Azeries, Uzbeks, Uyghurs).So how do you guys consider atilla related to Turkey?
 
End of the story is that you are entitled to your subjective comments but do not have the right to speak on behalf of others, you have no authority or a right to do so. You are not in a position to tell people that their culture is this that.
 
You are what ever you feel you are, if your a Turk from Turkey who see's cutural connections with Azerbaycan Turks, Central Asian Turks then they do and there are many examples of similarities so nobody is in a position to tell them they cannot have these feelings.
 
Turks today can claim anything connected to any Turkic people's, that's the beauty of being a Turk Big smile so someone from Turkey or Eastern Turkistan can claim Atilla, Mete Han, AlpArslan, Togrul Bey, Fatih Mehmed II, Suleyman the Magnificent, Timur, Nadir Shah, Babur etc etc etc
 
They have a very inclusive, embracing identity, which isn't a problem its actually an advantage.


Edited by Bulldog - 17-Dec-2006 at 06:41
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Buldog, the point is that A turkmen, Azeri or kazak never could claim on Mohamet Fatih, or suleyman kanuni, because these graet kings were turkish, with same logic none of them have right to claim on Atilla
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That's nonsense, I've seen many Turks outside of Turkey claim these Kings and their equally proud of them. Turkmenistan officially recognises the Selcuks and Ottomans as a part of their history aswell, you can go on official government sites and see this for yourself.
 
With the same logic ALL of them have the right to claim Atilla, its the Turkic way, you can claim anyone Turkic Big smile
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Originally posted by Zorigo



First of all, it is far more likely to say Mongol Language has Trk elements in it, than otherwise.



Attila's father Muncuk=Boncuk (Turkish)
Munchik is Mongolian name too.


Muncuk=Boncuk in Trk Language is correct.

Attila's uncle Aybars= Ay(white) Pars(wild animal)
This translation not right. BARS is not Pars-wild animal LOL) 
Bars is Mongolian name which means tiger or snow leapord. This name widely used in central asia among Kazakh and Kyrgyz


Ay means Moon in Trk Language, and Pars and Bars mean leapard or wild animal.

Attila's son Dengizik = Sea storm)
Dengizik- In Mongolian language, there are same word TENGIS - тэнгис-  which means SEA.

Dengizik, In Trk languague the word Deniz= Sea


Check this source for other examples:

http://www.history.kessler-web.co.uk/FeaturesEurope/BarbarianHuns.htm



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Also Uldız means star in Turkish.(Yıldız)
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Posts: 3959 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Feb-2009 at 20:49
Originally posted by xi_tujue

I know but you know facts are facts btw what the hell is proto-turkic.
so could be people who were proto turkic be not turkic??????


Proto is an adjective which describes so ......................
First look up what the word proto means and then I think you might be less offended. I have also heard proto Indo European or even proto Hellenic. All languages evolve and and had an origin so think about it unless you believe Turkic was the first language spoken. Yes, I believe the Huns were Turkic but not all the nomads living in the Eurasian steppes were Turkic.

proto

adjective
indicating the first or earliest or original; "'proto' is a combining form in a word like 'protolanguage' that refers to the hypothetical ancestor of another language or group of languages"

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proto%20
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Balamir, the name of Attila's greatgrandfather means "child king."  Now this is good evidence that European Huns were indeed from the same branch as the "Xiongnu."
 
In Chinese history it is recorded around 100 A.D. that one branch of Xiongnu lost the war and was chased out of Asia by Chinese armies all the way to Russia.  All the adult men in Xiongnu were killed so the Chinese general called off the war and rode back to China.  The Xiongnu who remained in Russia were old people, women and children. 

Perhaps, Balamir was one of those survivors who went on to become king?
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Originally posted by xi_tujue

 

like hell they could hungary is largely slavic. so argument arguments arguments



Hungary is dominantly hungarian. in genetics, in language, and cultural also. Please stop that hungarians are slavic nonsense..

Attila means father of living beings

Att goes for Atya in hungarian, il/el stands for living beings with spirit


Edited by Hungo - 26-Mar-2009 at 13:33
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