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    Posted: 13-Jul-2006 at 08:57

Well it's too bad that a new war has taken place as there would be more blood, death and wounds and more people will suffer for no reason.

All I would like to know is that where are the defenders of global peace and the true warriors against terrorism (The USA) now? Why don't they now interfer and stop a new war? Where is the human rights now and why the world is yet quite?

When WTC was attacked it was quoted as an act of terrorism and now that Lebanon is attacked, isn't it too an act of terrorism? Or maybe America doesn't has gutz to stand against her father... Angry


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The latest regarding the Israel's blockade of Lebanon:
 
 
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Israel imposes Lebanon blockade
Bridges were targeted in overnight raids on south Lebanon

Israel is imposing an air and sea blockade on Lebanon as part of a major offensive after two soldiers were seized by the militant group Hezbollah.

Israeli warships have entered Lebanese water to block ports, and its only international airport was closed after Israeli missiles blew up its runways.

Raids on targets across south Lebanon have killed at least 35 civilians.

The operation comes as Israel continues a separate offensive in the Gaza Strip where another soldier was captured.

The offensive in Lebanon follows a day of heavy fighting in which the Israelis suffered their worst losses on the border for several years.

Lebanon-Israel map

Eight soldiers were killed and two were injured, in addition to the two captured in a Hezbollah ambush.

Hezbollah guerrillas also fired volleys of rockets at the northern Israeli coastal town of Nahariya, killing one Israeli and injuring 14 others.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev told the BBC that Israel was responding to "an unprovoked act of aggression" by Lebanon.

US President George Bush described Hezbollah as a "group of terrorists who want to stop the advance of peace".

Speaking in Germany, he said Israel had the right to defend itself, but its action should not weaken the Lebanese government.

Syria should be "held to account", he said, adding that both Hezbollah and the Palestinian militant group Hamas are present in the country.

France and Russia condemned Israel's "disproportionate use of force".

Blockade

An Israeli military spokesman said Israeli naval ships had entered Lebanese waters to block the transfer of "terrorists and weapons to the terror organisations operating in Lebanon".

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None of the parties involved are acting in a way to get their desired result
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Earlier, three missiles hit runways at Beirut airport, the country's only international airport, forcing its closure. Flights have been diverted to Cyprus.

An Israeli army spokesman said the airport was used to supply weapons to Hezbollah.

Israeli leaders have also spoken of extending the blockade to include travel by land, although the BBC's Jim Muir in Beirut says this would be much harder to do, given the porous nature of the borders.

The blockade follows wide-ranging Israeli air raids on southern Lebanon, which killed at least 35 civilians.

Among the dead were two whole families - one of 10 people and one of seven - killed in the homes near the town of Nabatiyeh, officials said.

The Hezbollah television station al-Manar in southern Beirut was also hit. The station said three of its employees were hurt.

Responsibility

Israel said its jets hit 40 Hezbollah targets.

ISRAEL IN LEBANON
March 1978: Israel invades to stop Palestinian attacks
1982: Full-scale invasion; Israel occupies Beirut; pro-Israel militias massacre Palestinian refugees
May 1983: Israel pulls back, but keeps "security zone"
February 1992: Israeli air strike kills Hezbollah leader
1996: Israel launches "Grapes of Wrath" raids on Hezbollah; 100 civilians die under Israeli shelling of UN base at Qana
May 2000: Israel withdraws troops from Lebanon
January 2004: Prisoners-bodies swap agreed between Hezbollah and Israel

Our correspondent says Beirut is largely cut off from southern Lebanon after Israeli missiles and bombs hit key roads and bridges.

Israel has said it holds Lebanon responsible for the soldiers' capture and views it as an "act of war".

Hezbollah has said the captured soldiers will not be returned without a release deal for Palestinian, Lebanese and other Arab prisoners held in Israeli jails.

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora denied any knowledge of the Hezbollah operation and refused to take responsibility for the soldiers' capture.

Hezbollah's political wing is a significant force in Lebanese politics and has one government minister, while its powerful military wing has controlled the border zone since Israeli forces pulled out in 2000.

Volatile mix

Israeli Defence Minister Amir Peretz said if Lebanon did not deploy forces along its southern border, Israel would "not allow Hezbollah forces to remain on the borders of the state of Israel".

One cannot justify the destruction by Israel of the civilian infrastructure in Lebanon and Palestinian territory
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Agriculture Minister Shalom Simchon said the Israeli government wanted to "change the rules of the game" in Lebanon and make its government "understand that it is responsible for what happens in Lebanon".

In Gaza, Israeli jets attacked the Palestinian foreign ministry building in Gaza City, injuring at least 10 people.

The operation follows the capture of Israeli soldier Cpl Gilad Shalit by Palestinian militants two weeks ago.

The BBC's World Affair's correspondent Nick Childs says the confrontations in Gaza and Lebanon are ringing alarm bells among world leaders.

He says the combination of an untried and apparently uncertain Israeli government, plus tensions that could easily extend to Syria and Iran is creating a volatile mixture.



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a new war
 
I liked that.LOL
Really,it's like a video tape repeating itself.Every year the same sh*t,and nobody does anything about it.The only difference is that the leading actor isn't Arafat anymore.Oh ,i forgot the statement of Cofee Anan.Now that is sth new!The UN took place!Ouch And  clearly Hezbolah does not represent the official goverment of Lebanon,neither it is the official goverment of Lebanon.Therefore ,Israel invaded in foreign soil to hunt a para- military organization,without any legal authorization by the legal goverment of the invaded country,Lebanon .Therefore ,they are illegal  ,and they are the first ones who commited the crime of war by bombarding non-military targets and the infrasctructure of a State which did nothing against Israelis in a period of peace. 
 
In conclusion,they are bloody terrorists.They hate Hitler ,and they became like him.Assholes.


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Originally posted by Leonidas

Originally posted by Sparten

They don't really have the capability to take Lebanon and hold it either.


thats debatable and maybe true for any long term urban potential of the conflict. Whats not debatable is isreal's capabilty to level lebanon and syria while they're at it, who say's they have to hold anything?

The attack on its army (if within its own territory) is an act of agression on part of Hezbollah and unfortunatly (by association only) lebanon . They incorporated them into their own government, more for political expedinacy than any true alliance. I would assume that most in lebanon want such syrian puppets out of politics. the reality is lebanon cannot disarm hezbollah without going into civil war. These guys are one of the best armed groups in the country and probably one of the most powerful 'terrorist' groups left intact..

Isreal is concetrating it attcks in the shiite south but will be punishing lebanon for not disarming them. This iI think is where they may have over stepped their mark and make enemies with their enemies own opponents.

To "level' Syria, the only way to do that will be atomic weapons, and they can't even consider that. The retaliation would be well.......

Their military is not setup for such actions, its a brigade based force, with divisions only being activated in wartime if ever. The assault force doctrine assumes interior lines and a short sharp war, with little time for enemy counterattacks. To do the above, they will have to ocupy the land, not something they can do with the present mix of forces. They need at least a Corps level headquaters for that, and frankly the country is too small for that.
 
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Israel is now saying that Hezbollah is tryingt o transfer the nabbed soldiers to Iran.. Thus, Israel has drastically stepped up it's bombardment of Lebanon.

It remains to be seen if this is true, but if Iran does come into possession of those soldiers...this whole conflict could change real fast.

Israel invaded in foreign soil to hunt a para- military organization,without any legal authorization by the legal goverment of the invaded country,Lebanon .Therefore ,they are illegal  ,and they are the first ones who commited the crime of war by bombarding non-military targets and the infrasctructure of a State which did nothing against Israelis in a period of peace.

Actually, it isn't illegal, and people should stop talking like they know something about international law. Lebanon harbors Hezbollah. That only is justificatioin for an Israeli assault. Israel has the right to attack them wherever they are if the host nation does not aid them. Lebanon is not helping Israel to get Hezbollah. Israel's incursion into Lebanon isn't illegal. Hezbollah launched the first attack in this conflict against Lebanon. You don't attack someone and not expect them to hit you back.


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Does anybody know how dangerous it is in Israel at the moment? Stupid question perhaps, but a girl from my house is there now on a studytrip and I'm a bit worried...

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And a guy from my class is in Lebanon right now. Confused

Anyway, I think that they shouldn't have attacked Lebanese targets such as the Beirut airport. This attack dealt a major blow to Lebanese economy, in which tourism plays a very important role.

Lebanon shouldn't have been involved in the conflict. This should have only been Israel vs. Hezballah. It isn't Lebanon's fault that Hezballah has forced itself in the south. It is actually the only armed faction in the country since the civil war, and it has support from a lot of the Shiites of Lebanon. As Leonidas said, any attempt to remove Hezballah from the territory of Lebanon by the Lebanese government might start another civil war. If Lebanon doesn't assist Hezballah in kicking out Israel, Hezballah would also accuse the Lebanese government of double-standards as it was keen to "liberate" the country (from Syria) just last year.
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Originally posted by pikeshot1600

Is it not obvious that the kernel of this ongoing problem is the Syrian support of Hamas and of Hezbollah (yes money comes from Iran) both of which are sheltered in Damascus?
 
Xristar, Israel has not invaded Syria (not yet).  A resolution to the problem will not be realized before Syrian support for these outlaw groups is terminated.
 
Now how does one suppose that might be attained?
 
 


Usually, I am a supporter of Israel, but with the incursion into Lebanese territory I think Israel is going too far. Just as Lebanon is taking its first steps as an independent state, Israel is doing its best to destabilise it and give another excuse to the Syrians to enter Lebanon.

What I find even more amazing is that the USA is blaming Syria for the actions of Israel in violation of Lebanese soveregnity. I really think it is time for Uncle Sam to get a little bit tougher on its Israeli buddy.
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I wish the international community would beat back both Israel and the terrorists and man a buffer zone between them. Letting one side in a conflict control every aspect of civilian life among the other is not a way to achieve peace.

Lebanese fighters lobbed more than 80 rocks into Israel overnight, two hit the city of Haifa - the farthest south they've ever reached. More than 50 Lebanese civilians have now been killed in attacks on public transportation infrastructure.

Lebanon's airport and seaports have been destroyed and/or cut off from the outside world and 15,000 people so far have fled into Syria, mostly foreign nationals taking advantage of the only way out of Lebanon.

Protestors in the Bekaa Valley (traditionally pro-Syrian) are demanding Syrian troops return to the country, and smaller protests with the same message are being held in Beirut - ironically in the norther, Lebanese-government controlled districts.


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A few pictures from Lebanon...
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Oh, man, that is so horrible. Waht are those f**kers thinking over there? That they are making the world a better place? How can they do such things?

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Thank you for posting the images, Mila.
I think what Israel is doing at the moment is a war of agression against the entire state of Lebanon in violation of its soveregnity. I hope the internationl community will be quick to condemn it, though I cannot see Bush taking any action. Angry
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Today residents of Beirut are trying to buy gas, since Israel has already turned away three ships bringing fuel to the country.


The downtown core of Beirut is empty, people aren't spending money because they don't know how long this is going to last - and the tourists are gone.


And, in the south, 10 members of a single family were burried en masse, most of them children and infants.


Israel, I hope you get your soldier back in ten pieces. Cry Sorry, but I do. It's just too much this time.
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Actually, it isn't illegal, and people should stop talking like they know something about international law. Lebanon harbors Hezbollah. That only is justificatioin for an Israeli assault. Israel has the right to attack them wherever they are if the host nation does not aid them. Lebanon is not helping Israel to get Hezbollah. Israel's incursion into Lebanon isn't illegal. Hezbollah launched the first attack in this conflict against Lebanon. You don't attack someone and not expect them to hit you back.
 
So,according to your master degree in International Law,Osama Bin Laden's attack on 9/11 was legal since the USA helped Israel in commiting war crimes in the Gaza territory against innocent Palestinian civilians ,in addition to harboring Israeli terrorists in American soil.
 
Israel has no right to invade in foreign soil in a period of peace and without any legal authorization from the official goverment ,voted by the citizens of the invaded country.Such an action can only be considered as an act of War by Israel and pure terrorism.The rest are naive excuses used by the Israelis and their allies in order to justify sth which cannot be justified
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Mila, why do you have a Lebanese flag as your avatar? Let's not start the same thing with the Danish cartoon incident where people started to put avatars like: Boycott Denmark, or whatever.
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I agree with EU's reaction to Israel's attack on Lebanon - it's excessive. I will add that it's in fact counterproductive. They blame the Lebanese government for Hezbollah's action, but of course even a moron would know that the Lebanese government has little, if not zero control, over the Hezbollah even though it is a "legitimate" political party supported mainly (if not only) by the Shia community, backed by Iran and Syria. Why is Israel punishing and destabilizing an anti-Syrian Lebanese regime? Actions like that would only antagonize the segment of the Lebanese population that wasn't even initially hostile to Israel in the first place, not to mention the entire Arab world. 

I do, however, believe that Israel has the right to retaliate against Hezbollah's cross-border raid and capture of Israeli soldiers, something that some forumers here seem to have overlooked. This is different from Israel's action on Gaza (which I oppose), even though Hezbollah's action may have been inspired by that. No country would just sit there and watch a foreign troop crossing its border, killing and kidnapping its soldiers. In doing that, the Hezbollah was essentially acting like a state itself. If Israel is to retaliate, it should do so against the Hezbollah and on Hezbollah territory. Not Lebanon. Not Beruit. In fact by acting like that, Israel is in fact falling into a trap dug by the Hezbollah - dragging the whole of Lebanon into conflict with Israel.
 
 
 

  


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Originally posted by MilaSorry, but I do. It's just too much this time.

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 I do not think that you are right this time. Two wro

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 I do not think that you are right this time. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hope the soldier surivives and is returned in one piece, at least this might placate the Israelis and avoid further bloodshed.
 
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First and foremost, there are much more Christians in Lebanon, then in Israel.And since Lebanon population is 30% Christian, and those Christians with passion hate Israel, and i dont wana bring Muslims into play, especially Shia in the south, because those Muslims from the north, would be like lambs,considering they had to fight off agressions for over 2 decades, and having part of your country occupied for 20 or so years.And Georgie Boy is backing Israel, because they wouldnt dare to do such act, but i hope Americans would get smarter in congress senat elections of 2006, and not elect Republican.

And not to mention Lebanon is highely secular country, and has Christian president, and all those Nightlife, so ''Islamic card'' wont work there.And yes Israel weaponry compared with Lebanon is joke, i mean, thats why they invaded.I seriously doubt they would bomb Egypt of over 70 million people into oblivion.Ouch
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Israel is so obnoxious.  Why is post cold war US policy still tied to this country? It looks bad for PR, its expensive, and the Israel lobby is too powerful in congress.
 
 I thought they were the congress.


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