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Topic: Ancient Macedonian language Posted: 30-Nov-2015 at 00:21 |
I do not know either C.V. but my back does not ails me anymore!?!All languages looks like one of them C.V.!That's a right answer,correct one.Regards.
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Posted: 29-Nov-2015 at 18:07 |
Looks like Greek to me...but hell what do I know.
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Posted: 29-Nov-2015 at 02:42 |
Hi brothers! All consonants exist.We solved it 2500-2800 years before.Reason was a trading.Demotic has had too much signs for it.Trading products needed simple way of record& marking.That's why only consonants are on inscriptions from jars.They are product code=bar code of ancient merchants.
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 02:58 |
Thanks Akritas. This is riddiculus. A person who obviously does't have a clue about the Greek language writes things like " The consonant v does not exist in the greek language". I start to wonder if I should spend more time talking with theMacedonian2. This is a history forum were we should use legible sources. Now before we see any linguistic texts about greek language written by amateur "historians", lets clear some things up. V is phonetically the letter beta in Greek. In attic it is always pronounced with no changes. In Dorian greek the letter β becomes "θ", "ζ" and "γ" when it is in front of short vocals, e.g. δήχου ( βήχω, I cought), Ιφο ζούμε (φο βούμαι, I fear), γλέπω ( βλέπω, I see). When it occurs twice in a word it is pronounced "μπ" (b) e.g Σά μπα (Σά ββατον, Saturday). Obviously we know our grammar very well, so please we're not convinced with Donski articles. The http://www.historyofmacedonia.org site could be called nukethegreeksfromthefaceofearth.com easily so please. This is a serious forum.
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 02:53 |
A great article regarding the Macedonian language.
100 names from the ancient Macedonia history.
You will find the etymology and a small desciption
KINGS OF MACEDON AND DIADOCHI
1. ALEXANDROS m Ancient Greek (ALEXANDER Latinized)
Pronounced: al-eg-ZAN-dur
From the Greek name Alexandros, which meant defending men from Greek alexein to defend, protect, help and aner man (genitive andros). Alexander the Great, King of Macedon, is the most famous bearer of this name. In the 4th century BC he built a huge empire out of Greece, Egypt, Persia, and parts of India. The name was borne by five kings of Macedon.
2. PHILIPPOS m Ancient Greek (PHILIP Latinized)
Pronounced: FIL-ip
From the Greek name Philippos which means friend of horses, composed of the elements philos friend and hippos horse. The name was borne by five kings of Macedon, including Philip II the father of Alexander the Great.
2. AEROPOS m Ancient Greek, Greek Mythology
Male form of Aerope who in Greek mythology was the wife of King Atreus of Mycenae. Aeropos was also the son of Aerope, daughter of Kepheus: Ares, the Tegeans say, mated with Aerope, daughter of Kepheus (king of Tegea), the son of Aleos. She died in giving birth to a child, Aeropos, who clung to his mother even when she was dead, and sucked great abundance of milk from her breasts. Now this took place by the will of Ares. (Pausanias 8.44.) The name was borne by two kings of Macedon
QUEENS AND ROYAL FAMILY
23. EURYDIKE f Greek Mythology (EURYDICE Latinized)
Means wide justice from Greek eurys wide and dike justice. In Greek myth she was the wife of Orpheus. Her husband tried to rescue her from Hades, but he failed when he disobeyed the condition that he not look back upon her on their way out. Name of the mother of Philip II of Macedon.
24. BERENIKE f Ancient Greek (BERENICE Latinized)
Pronounced: ber-e-NIE-see
Means bringing victory from pherein to bring and nike victory. This name was common among the Ptolemy ruling family of Egypt.
GENERALS, SOLDIERS, PHILOSOPHERS AND OTHERS
28. PARMENION m ancient Greek
The most famous General of Philip and Alexander the great. Another famous bearer of this name was the olympic winner Parmenion of Mitiline. His name derives from the name Parmenon + the ending -ion used to note descendancy. It means the "descedant of Parmenon".
29. PEUKESTAS m Ancient Greek
He saved Alexander the Great in India. One of the most known Macedonians. His name derives from Πευκής (= sharp) + the Doric ending -tas. Its full meaning is the "one who is sharp".
30. ARISTOPHANES m Ancient Greek
Derived from the Greek elements aristos best and phanes appearing. The name of one of Alexander the Greats personal body guard who was present during the murder of Cleitus. (Plutarch, Alexander, The Lives of the Noble Grecians and Romans). This was also the name of a 5th-century BC Athenian playwright.
MACEDONIAN WOMEN
94. ANTIGONE f ancient Greek
Usage: Greek Mythology
Pronounced: an-TIG-o-nee
Means against birth from Greek anti against and gone birth. In Greek legend Antigone was the daughter of Oedipus and Jocasta. King Creon of Thebes declared that her slain brother Polynices was to remain unburied, a great dishonour. She disobeyed and gave him a proper burial, and for this she was sealed alive in a cave. Antigone of Pydna was the mistress of Philotas, the son of Parmenion and commander of Alexander the Greats Companion cavalry (Plutarch, Alexander, The Lives of the Noble Grecians and Romans).
95. VOULOMAGA (Βουλομάγα) f ancient greek
Derives from greek words "Βούλομαι (=desire) + άγαν (=too much)". Her name is found among donators.
enjoy
Etymology of the 100 most famous ancient Macedonian names
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 01:14 |
Originally posted by Flipper
Originally posted by theMacedonian2
Explain to me the antropology of the word
Phoinikos...(Macedonian flag for commencing an attack) | I don't undertand your question at all.Φοίνικος is the possesive form of the dorian word Φοινιξ (ξ + ο becomes κ in dorian languages) which is a palm tree.E.g Ο καρπός του φοίνικος = The fruit of the palm tree |
Flip the neighbour mean the Donski crops.Read the below link
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMacedonia/similarities.html
the specific article is contribute in all FYROMian web sites
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 16:14 |
Originally posted by theMacedonian2
Explain to me the antropology of the word
Phoinikos...(Macedonian flag for commencing an attack) |
I don't undertand your question at all. Φοίνικος is the possesive form of the dorian word Φοινιξ (ξ + ο becomes κ in dorian languages) which is a palm tree. E.g Ο καρπός του φοίνικος = The fruit of the palm tree
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 16:09 |
Originally posted by theMacedonian2
No I only said that the word belonged to someone that lived in the balkans log before all the rest came (or derived from). |
This someone were the authochthonus inhabitants in that case Iapetoi, Pelasgoi, Leleges, Aperandoi maybe?
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 16:05 |
Originally posted by Anton
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BTW, what does first word (prior to doron) mean? |
Anton this is omega not O. It has different uses in Greek even though they sound both like an O. I posted a complete etymology of the word ΚΛΕΙΤΑΙ and other forms on page 10.
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 07:23 |
Originally posted by Brainstorm
Did you see any DAR written on artifact found in Macedonia?? I saw only ΔΩΡΟΝ. So,since you believe that it would be funny this word to be borrowed because it was so basic...then you believe Macedonians didn't borrow it from Greeks.It was their word too. Isn't ?
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Brainstorm, I am not linguist but as far as I know "a" easely may convert to "o" and vice versa. BTW, what does first word (prior to doron) mean?
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 04:47 |
Explain to me the antropology of the word
Phoinikos...(Macedonian flag for commencing an attack)
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 04:18 |
I will report this post for falsification. It is certainly not made by a Greek speeker First it is all errors.
1) there is no ζ ending in any Greek word, only -s "ς". 2) Γλώσσα with Omega not Omicron. 3) The word is the composite word ΚΛΕΙΤΑΙΔΩΡΟΝ not ΚΛΗΔΟΝ.
You've just fallen into my eyes, that is all I can say.
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The errors are my mistake, I don't know greek but I tried to copy it as best as i could...
Sorry for any inconvenience but falsification was not my intention.
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 04:17 |
Originally posted by Brainstorm
Originally posted by theMacedonian2
As anton said "Dar" is mentioned in all slavic languages. I belive that Russians or Polish would not have borrowed such a basic word from the ancient Greeks. Unless ofcorse you give me a theory of how something so basic could reach and be used by the russians. Because if we wore talking about some scientific term, a tool a wepeon then ok, it makes scence, but if u say that something so everyday got imported then... it sounds a bit funny. |
Did you see any DAR written on artifact found in Macedonia?? I saw only ΔΩΡΟΝ. So,since you believe that it would be funny this word to be borrowed because it was so basic...then you believe Macedonians didn't borrow it from Greeks.It was their word too. Isn't ?
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No I only said that the word belonged to someone that lived in the balkans log before all the rest came (or derived from).
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 02:06 |
Originally posted by Anton
Are there many words that exist in Macedonian dialect (or language) and do not exist in other Greek dialects? And also long time ago I asked whether those words that are Macedonian (from Akritas' list) existed in separate inscriptions or they were mixed in inscriptions with Greek texts. If they are mixed what is the proportion between those words and "classical" or "clearly greek words"? I mean approximately... I didn't get any answer, is it because it is wierd to somebody? |
Yes Anton there is a list mentioned in an ancient lexicon. This lexicon is though a list a words used localy in macedonia and not in other places. It is not a lexicon on the macedonian language. Nowadays, I could find you more words in certain dialects that are used, that do not exist in Koine. I guess you have the same thing in northern and southern bulgaria don't you? In the Tsakonian language (the Doric spartan language) we still have a big list of different words. I have a lexicon myself on special tsakonian words. Considering that there are over 7000 available inscirptions on the net, some ten thousands available in libraries and archeological facilities, containing a vast amount of words, this list you mention is ofcourse just a small peace.
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 02:02 |
Originally posted by theMacedonian2
"Look! Can you see? This is what Filotas came to,that he is discusted by his own language? ... But no, let him speak as he wishes, and you remind yourselfs that he has seperated himself equaly from our custums and language."^*
^ Quintus Curtius Rufus, "De Rebus Gestis Alexandri Macedonis", VI,10.
* My own loose translation... sorry again |
I have already answer in this claim in page 9. Dont make circles.
Originally posted by theMacedonian2
There is about 50 mentioned in just one dictionary... ill have a look and tell you who its by. (ancient by the way ) |
I had make analysis all of these Macedonian words.If you have Hsychios lexikon that mention the KLHTOS word scanned and bring to us please..
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 01:59 |
Originally posted by theMacedonian2
"Look! Can you see? This is what Filotas came to, that he is discusted by his own language? ... But no, let him speak as he wishes, and you remind yourselfs that he has seperated himself equaly from our custums and language."^*
^ Quintus Curtius Rufus, "De Rebus Gestis Alexandri Macedonis", VI,10.
* My own loose translation... sorry again |
If you had actually read the original text and not copy pasted from greekaregypsieslonglivefyrom.com you would see this: Praeter Macedones plerique adsunt, quos facilius quae dicam percepturos arbitror, si eadem lingua fuero usus qua tu egisti; non ob aliud, credo, quam ut oratio tua intelligi posset a pluribus
He clearly sais "who will understand me MORE EASILY if I speak in the language you have spoken for the same reason". ANd yeah, if I was personaly were amongst Cretans, Cypriots or Pontians I would understand more easyly if the spoke attic greek rather than their local tongue. Now, Akritas has given seminars on this filotas thing so do not start over again.
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 01:49 |
Originally posted by theMacedonian2
Im not implying that the ancient Macedonians used slavic language, but I imply that they DID NOT use a Greek Language...
I also belive that slavic language is the closest to an ancient language that belonged to a peoples that originated from the balkans and asia minor... and that Macedonian, Epiran and Thrakian languages wore derivates from it.
But this isn the place I belive to mention the Palazgians.
As anton said "Dar" is mentioned in all slavic languages. I belive that Russians or Polish would not have borrowed such a basic word from the ancient Greeks. Unless ofcorse you give me a theory of how something so basic could reach and be used by the russians. Because if we wore talking about some scientific term, a tool a wepeon then ok, it makes scence, but if u say that something so everyday got imported then... it sounds a bit funny. |
You've just lost it. The fact that it is an ISO language characterized as Greek language means that the majority of experts agree it is. And tell me a good reason why Greeks can read Macedonian inscriptions, even those before they adopted attic?
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 01:45 |
Originally posted by theMacedonian2
This is the word from the dictionary of Hesilij(this is in macedonian, anton or if anyone can tell me what the english transcript is, that'll be great) |
I will report this post for falsification. It is certainly not made by a Greek speeker First it is all errors. 1) there is no ζ ending in any Greek word, only -s "ς". 2) Γλώσσα with Omega not Omicron. 3) The word is the composite word ΚΛΕΙΤΑΙΔΩΡΟΝ not ΚΛΗΔΟΝ. You've just fallen into my eyes, that is all I can say.
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 01:33 |
Originally posted by theMacedonian2
As anton said "Dar" is mentioned in all slavic languages. I belive that Russians or Polish would not have borrowed such a basic word from the ancient Greeks. Unless ofcorse you give me a theory of how something so basic could reach and be used by the russians. Because if we wore talking about some scientific term, a tool a wepeon then ok, it makes scence, but if u say that something so everyday got imported then... it sounds a bit funny. |
Did you see any DAR written on artifact found in Macedonia?? I saw only ΔΩΡΟΝ. So,since you believe that it would be funny this word to be borrowed because it was so basic...then you believe Macedonians didn't borrow it from Greeks.It was their word too. Isn't ?
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Posted: 15-Dec-2006 at 20:36 |
Im not implying that the ancient Macedonians used slavic language, but I imply that they DID NOT use a Greek Language...
I also belive that slavic language is the closest to an ancient language that belonged to a peoples that originated from the balkans and asia minor... and that Macedonian, Epiran and Thrakian languages wore derivates from it.
But this isn the place I belive to mention the Palazgians.
As anton said "Dar" is mentioned in all slavic languages. I belive that Russians or Polish would not have borrowed such a basic word from the ancient Greeks. Unless ofcorse you give me a theory of how something so basic could reach and be used by the russians. Because if we wore talking about some scientific term, a tool a wepeon then ok, it makes scence, but if u say that something so everyday got imported then... it sounds a bit funny.
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