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They were really a horde of barbars Unhappy
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It's worth pointing out that none of the images posted actually looks like Huns.Smile
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Tadamson do you have a picture of Atilla han's wall painting in Rome or something? I heard there whas a painting or a statue of him in Rome.
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Originally posted by tadamson

It's worth pointing out that none of the images posted actually looks like Huns.Smile
 
So what do they look like???
 
 
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Originally posted by DayI

Tadamson do you have a picture of Atilla han's wall painting in Rome or something? I heard there whas a painting or a statue of him in Rome.
 
 
Perhaps you refer to the painting of Raphael, The Meeting between Pope Leo the Great and Attila on river Mincio near Mantua
 
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why do the huns look white in the painting
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Originally posted by xi_tujue

why do the huns look white in the painting
 
 
 
Because Raphael lived more or less 1 thousand years after the Huns and he has no available pictorial source to work with, so he imagined ... the clothings and the arms also (as you can see) are medioeval-renaissance not ancient ...
 
 
 
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yeah... your right
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Those pictures above (except the one from Leonardo's post) are painted, made barbaric as they could imagined, i wouldnt be suprised if i saw creatures or ORC's instead of them...

A nice Turkish proverb who explains this situation: "Kedi ulasamadigi ciger'e mundar dermis..."
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It is tipical to demonise the enemies as cruel barbarians etc.
 
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XVI. century depiction of Ottoman soldiers
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Some of the pictures looks asiatic so not all of them are horribly incorrect.
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this picture is not true , you are a big lier like armenians . Ottomans dont never kill innocent people where conquered land . They always proteced and developped to balkans against with west europian who are real barbarian , ottomans were muslim but they helped jew and irish . And everybody know that crusaders killed who
    
    

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Originally posted by last_janissary


this picture is not true , you are a big lier like armenians . Ottomans dont never kill innocent people where conquered land . They always proteced and developped to balkans against with west europian who are real barbarian , ottomans were muslim but they helped jew and irish . And everybody know that crusaders killed who
    
    
 
oglum kendini rezil etme
 
If your englsih isn't that wel read it twice he ment when he posted that pics is that he enemie(dsman) are portraid as barbarians to let them selfs seem superior and give them purpose to fight back
 
(bir adam dusmanini herzaman kotu olarak gosterir)
 
when did the turks helped the irish
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eğer bilmiyorsan olmamış gibi g飉terme biraz araştır ama ben sana linkini weriom sen benim ingilizceme takacağına atana karşı yapılmış saygısızlıa bak biraz
"İrlanda'da İngiltere İmparatorluğu'nun insan haklarını ihlale eden ve kendi kendini y霵etme anlayışı ile hi uymayan uygulamaları Osmanlı Devleti'nde ve Trkiye Cumhuriyeti'nde tepkiyle karşılanmıştır. Osmanlı Padişahlarından II. Abdlhamid'in İrlanda'daki Katolik direnişe yardım ettiği bilinen iddialar arasındadır. Ayrıca Atatrk de İrlanda'da İngiltere'nin uygulamalarının kabul edilemez olduğunu, buna karşın tm dnyanın buna sessiz kaldığını şu s驆ler ile ifade etmiştir:

"İngilizlerin sulh zamanında ve harp sahasından uzak olarak İrlanda’ya reva g顤dğ muameleye hemen hemen kayıtsız bir şekilde bakan dnya efkarı, Ermeni ahalinin tehciri hususunda almaya mecbur kaldığımız karar i蓾n bize karşı haklı bir ithamda bulunamaz."[1]"

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/İrlanda

buda sana kapak olsun , sorry but i dont have english enough to say this
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Originally posted by last_janissary


this picture is not true , you are a big lier like armenians . Ottomans dont never kill innocent people where conquered land . They always proteced and developped to balkans against with west europian who are real barbarian , ottomans were muslim but they helped jew and irish . And everybody know that crusaders killed who
    
    
 
you don't need to say stuf like that man thats why I was "angry" at you .
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An other example of war propaganda, this time "Barbarian" Germans:
For "Ottomans dont never kill innocent people where conquered land ":
 
In medieval warfare the plunder of countryside was common practice.
 
For example it is well known fact that in the early XVI. century at the Hungarian-Ottoman border minor campaigns were needed to deliver supply for the border forts, because the countryside got totaly desolated by both Ottoman and Hungarian marauders.


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Originally posted by last_janissary


this picture is not true , you are a big lier like armenians . Ottomans dont never kill innocent people where conquered land . They always proteced and developped to balkans against with west europian who are real barbarian , ottomans were muslim but they helped jew and irish . And everybody know that crusaders killed who
    
    
 
 
Please, stop posting this b******t !
 
 


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I read this someware I don't know if it's true. the ottoman build storehouses in lands that they wanted to conquer and when they did they didn't need to plunder and steal from the locals and so gain there support.
 
could this be true
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Originally posted by xi_tujue

I read this someware I don't know if it's true. the ottoman build storehouses in lands that they wanted to conquer and when they did they didn't need to plunder and steal from the locals and so gain there support.
 
could this be true
It might be true, but I think this attitude was the exception. Plundering to weaken the enemy was a common and accepted method of war.
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