Word "Aryan" is priced becoz of its Indic(Hindu)

 

While Hall was considered a scholar of mysticism, he was no historian.  His "rough estimate" was probably based upon the guesses of others, and even then, his 9000-year date-range is not even a "rough estimate". 

 

Yima Khshaeta (Jamshid) was said to have reigned for 1200 years   Is it possible that these reigns applied to a state, more like Yima was a last name.

 

No.  The context of the texts themselves as well as how they were understood in later works make it quite clear that the subject was a person, not a state.

 

Zoroaster lived before the time of the Median Empire.    Often times, I notice that the words like, Manuchihar, Mobad, Magus,  Magian, Magi, Mada, Median are cognates.  According to the Irano-Aryan tradition that I am aware of, Manuchihar is a patriarch that is placed before Zoroaster, and that both Zoroaster-Aspa and Visht-Aspa were his descendants.   Would you say that this detracts from you're conclusion?

 

I don't see how this detracts from my conclusion.  The original of Manuchihar was Manuschithra.  This is none other than the Manu of the Vedas, just as Yima Khshaeta was the Yama of the Vedas.  Otherwise I don't see how they are even cognates, since either we don't know their meaning or  they have different meanings.    

The Gathas make no mention of magi, although they were the Zoroastrian priests of a later period.  The later portion of the Avesta almost certainly seems to have been written by magi since what the practices they describe are what the magi were said to have actually practiced.  There are many theories as to their origin as well as to their nature, and even that there was two kinds of magi.  While Herodotus describes them as a Median tribe, they were also found among other Iranic peoples.   It may be that they were simply a caste with a unique tradition and mandate among the Medes and other Iranic peoples, in the same way that the "tribe" of the Levites were for the Hebrews.  While we find the form mogu in the Avesta, it seems that the term magu was a development of this term, which probably originally meant "gift", and thus it seems that they came after Zoroaster.

Would a lexicon of IE. reconstructions or sister IE. tongues, contain the cognates that were ommitted from the non-fragmented Gathas?  

Are the words Keresa Khshaeta or Khorashan, Kaligat, Callcutta, Helios Christos, and the sun Christ, Christian, cognates, specifically, the, latter, morpheme?

Edited by mojobadshah - 06-Jun-2007 at 20:07

I'm not sure I caught that, fully.  So, is, ghat, in Kali[ghat], and, Christ, cognates of *ghey.  Joseph Shipley has both, Kali, and, ghat, and Christ, down as related to to *gher I.  What do you make of this?  He doesn't seem to have a *ghey listed. 

So bartleby states the word, christ, rooted in * gher, unless, it was a missprint, and bartleby states that the same word is rooted in*ghrei.  Could these morphemes be related?   

I do not recall finding any IE. cognates that are related to the word Saoshyant.  Do you happen to know any IE. cognates?

Does this root, have anything to do with the Safavids?

ag

agh

agher $

agu(e)si

aguhno

ai I

ai II

aidh

aier $

aig

aios $

aiu $

ak $

aks $

akua $

al I

al II $

al III

albh

ambhi $

amer

amma $

an $

andh $

andho

ane $

angh $

anghui $

ank $

ano

ant $

ap, apo $

apsa

ar I $

ar II $

are

arek

arg $

ari $

?arkh

arq

?asinus

at

atos

atr

au I

au II

au III

au IV

aud

aue $

auei $

aues $

aug $

akua

au(s) $

baba

?baca

bak

bamb

bat

bel

beu; bhel; bhleu $

bha I $

bha II

bhad $

bhag $

bhaghu

bhago

bhar $

bhareku

bhares $

bhasko

bhau(t)

bhe

bhedh

bheg $

bhegu

bhei

bheid $

bheigu

bhel I $

bhel II

bheld

bhelk

bhendh $

bhengh

bher I

bher II $

bher(e)gh $

bherem

bhereu

bhes I $

bhes II

bheu $

bheudh

bheug I

bheug II

bheug II

bhili

bhlag

bhoso

bhrag

bhrater $

bhreg, bhrei

bhreus $

bhru $

bhrud $

bhudh

bhugo

bhugo

bhuko

bhurig

?bibli

?bomb

?border

braghu, mreghu $

buff

?burd

?burs

ca

caca

cal

caput $

?char

coc

?cruc

cub, qeb

cucu

?cura, coir

da I

da II $

dakru $

dam

dau

de, do $

dei $

deik $

dek I $

dek II $

dekm $

del I $

del II

del II I$

dem $

denk $

dens

deph

der $

derb

d(e)re

derk

deru $

deu

deuk $

dhabh

dhal

dhar $

dhe $

dhe II $

dheie

dheigh $

dheigh N $

dhe(I) I

dhel II, dheub

dhem

dhembh

dh(e)r $

dh(e)ragh

dhers $

dheu I $

dheu II

dheubh

dheugh

dhregh

dhreibh

dhren

dhreu $

dhrigh

dhugeter $

dhun

dhur $

dinghu $

dlku

do $

duei

duo $

?ebri

ed $

eg I $

eg II

eg III

eghs

egni

ei I $

ei II

eik $

eir, ir $

eis $

eku $

el

?elaia

(e)lei

em

en $

endher $

enek $

engu $

enos

er $

ere

ergh, rei, res $

ert

es $

esu

eti

etman

eu $

eudh

euoi

eus

?fin $

?frons

fur

ga

gal, gar $

gar $

garg

gel I, ghel

gel II $

gembh

geme(e) $

gen

geph

ger I $

ger II

ger III

ger IV $

ger V, gren $

?ger VI

gerbh $

?ges

geu

ghaido

ghais

ghaiso

ghans $

ghau $

ghdhem $

ghdhies $

ghdhu

ghe

ghebh

ghedh

ghel I

ghel II

g(h)enu $

gher I

gher II $

gher III

gher IV

gher V

ghers

gheslo

gheu

ghi$

ghou(e)

ghre

ghrebh I

ghrebh II $

ghredk(????)

ghreib

ghrem

ghren

ghuer

gib

gieu $

?gigas

?glact

gleubh

glokh

?glor

gn, gen $

?grand

gras

gru

gua, gue(n) $

guadh

gue $

guebh

guei $

guel I

guel II $

guel III

guelbh $

guen $

guer

guet $

guhdhei

guhdher

guhen

guher $

guhisl $

guhren

gultur $

guretso

?gutta

ha

?haifst

?honos $

?hule

hum, hmmm, ahem

I

ia

iag I

ie

ieg $

iegua

?ieiun

iek

ieku-rt $

iem $

ies $

ieu $

ieug, ius $

ieuos $

?im

Ios $

?iso

iu $

?jing

ka $

kad $

kadh

kagh

kaghlo

kai

kaiko????

kailo $

kait

kaito

kak

kal

kam $

kan $

kand $

kann $

kanth

kap $

kaph $

kapr $

kar, krak $

kars

kas $

kas(tr)

kat

kau I

kau II

kau III

kaul

ke

keg

kei I $

ke II

keiro, koiro

keku

kel I

kel II, kla $

kel III

kel IV $

kel V

kel VI $

kel VII

kel VIII, (s)kel

kel I $

kelb

keleuo

kelp, (s)kelp

kem I

kem II

kem III

kem IV

ken I

ken II

ken III

ken IV

keneko

kenk I

kenk II $

kenk III $

kens $

kent

ker I, (s)ker(b) $

ker II

ker IV, kr $

keru

ker VI

ker VII $

kerd $

kerdh $

kere $

ker(s) I

kers II $

kert

keu

keu II $

keuero

keup $

?khalk

kista

kla

kleg $

klei $

kleng

klep

kleu I $

kleu II

kleu III

klou

kn, ken, kneu $

kneiguh

knid

ko $

kob

kogkhos

kokhlos

kokila $

kolem

kollei

kom

konemo

konk

?konops

?kophin

kormo $

koro $

kosel

kost

krapo

kred $

kred II

(k)rek

krep $

kreu $

kreup

kreut

krup

krut

ksei $

ksero $

ksun

?kuberna?????

kue

kuei I $

kuei II

kuei III $

kueis

kueit $

keul $

keulp

kuenth

kuep

kuer $

?kuere

kuerp

kues $

kuet

kuetuer $

kuknos

kuno $

kuo $

kurmi

kus $

lab

labh, rabh

ladh

?laed

laiuo

laks

laku

lal

?laos

lap

?lapid

las

lat

lau

leb, (s)lab $

leg I $

leg II

legh $

leguh $

lei I

lei II

leib

leid I

leid II

leig I

leig II $

leigh

leiku

leip II

leis $

leit

leith

leizd

lek I

lek II

lem $

lendh I

lendh II

lento

?leo

lep I

lep II

letro

leu I $

leu II

leu III

leubh $

leud

leudh

leug $

leugh $

leuk $

leup

lino

lthra

lou $

lus

ma I

ma II $

mad $

mag

magh $

maghos $

mai I

mai II

mak $

maken

man??? $

mano

man???? $

?map

?margar

mari

marko

?mas

mat

math $

mavor

mazdos $

me I $

me II $

me III $

me IV $

med $

medhi $

medhu $

mei I

mei II $

mei III

mei IV $

mei V

meigh

meik $

meino

mel I, (s)mel

mel II

mel III

mel IV

mel V

melg

melit

melo

mems

men I $

men II $

men II

men IV $

mend

menegh $

menth

mer I

mer II $

merbh

?merc

mek $

meu I, meud, (s)meug $

meu II $

mezg I

mezg II

?miles

?mimo

mlub

mo

mod

modhro

mok

mom, mum

momo

mori$

mormur

moro

morui

mozzo

mregh-m(n)o

mu

mus $

mut

?muth

nabh, ombh $

nana

nas $

nau I

nau II $

ndher $

ne $

nebh $

ned

nei $

nekut $

nem $

nepot $

ner

nert

nes

netr $

neu I

neu II

neud $

?neuh $

neun, eneuen $

neuos, nu $

ni $

?niger

?nitron

nogu $

not

?nous

?o

Od

odi $

oino $

oito

(o)iua $

okto $

oku $

ol I

ol II

oma, am

ombher

om(s)

oner

onogh $

onomen $

op I $

op II

?opak

or, os $

orbh

orghi $

ors

os

ost, oss $

?oti

oui

ous, au $

ozd

pa $

paen $

pag, pak $

pal, pol

pan $

?pare

past

ped $

peg

pei

peig, peik

peik, peig $

peisk

pek I

pek II $

peku

pel I

pel II

pel III

pel IV

pel V

pel V, ple $

pel Vi

pel VII

pela, plak, plat $

pele

pen

pend $

penkue $

pent $

per $

per N $

perd $

perk $

?pers

pes, pet I $

pet II $

peter $

?peti

peu I

peu II $

peue

p(e)ug

peuor $

phol

?phula$

p(i)lo

pip

?pippa

piss

?pius

plab

plak

?plaud

pleik

ple$

pleu

pleus

plor

plou

?plumbum

pneu

po(I)

poieo

pol

?popul

porko $

porko II

porpu $

poti $

pou $

prai $

?pres

preu $

preus

?prika

prokto

(p)ster

pu $

puk

rad I, red

rad II

rap

?re, ned???

rebh

reg I $

reg II

reg III

rei I

rei II

reidh $

reig I

reig II

rendh

rep I

rep II

rep III

ret

reth $

reu

r(e)udh $

reu(g)

reuos

reup, reub

?ride

rkthos $

?rud

sa $

sab $

sag

sai

sak

sakkara $

sal I $

sal II

?sang

sano

sap

sauel, suen $

saus $

se I $

se II $

sed $

segh $

sei

seiku $

sek $

seks, seuks $

seku I $

seku II

sel I $

sel II

sel III

sel IV

selk

selp

sem I $

sem II $

semi $

sen $

sengu

senguh $

seni $

senk

sent $

sep

septem $

ser I $

ser II $

ser III

serk

serp

seu I

seu II

seu III $

seug

?silva

s(i)u

skai

(s)kamb

skand

(s)kel $

skelo

(s)keng

skren

sketh

(s)keu $

skeub

(s)keud

(s)keup

(s)khal

skot $

(s)krei

(s)kualo

skut

(s)lagu

slak

(s)leidh

slenk

(s)leu

(s)leubh

(s)li

smarakt

(s)me

smegh

(s)mei I

smei II

(s)meit $

?(s)meld

(s)mer $

smerd

smeru

(s)meugh

(s)na $

(s)ne

sneg

(s)neiguh $

sneit

(s)ner I

(s)ner II

(s) neubh $

solo $

so(s), se $

speik, (s)pik

(s)peis

spek $

spel

?spelug$

spend I

(s)pend II

sper I

sper II $

sper III

sp(h)ei I $

sp(h)ei II

sp(h)el I

sp(h)el II

sp(h)er I

sp(*h)er II

(s)p(h)er(e)g $

(s)p(h)ieu

(s)pingo

(s)pleid

(s)poim

?(s)pong

srebh

srep

sreu $

(s)rig

sta $

stag

stak $

stebh????

(s)teg $

steg(h)

stei

steibh, steip

steig $

steigh

stel

sten

(s)tene

ster I, stel, (s)tera???? $

(s)ter II

ster III

ster IV

(s)teu $

(s)teue

stoman $

strebh

streig, streng

stre(p)

(s)trid, strig

suad $

suard

sue, se $

suei I

suei II

sueid I

sueid II $

(s)uekuos

suel

suem

suen $

suep I $

suep II

(s)uer I???? $

(s)uer II, sur $

(s)uer III, (s)qet(p) $

suesor $

sui, sei

suombh

suord

sus $

t, th $

ta, ti

tag I

tag II

tak

?taka

?tara

taur $

tekh(s) $

tekhu(s) $

tel, tal

tem

teme $

temp $

ten, ton $

teng $

tep

t(e)r I $

t(e)r II, ter

t(e)r III, tar??? $

Ter(eq), torq $

terp

ters $

t(e)u

t(e)u(e) $

teuta

tit, tik $

to, tu $

toe

tol, tel, tal, (t)la

tolku

tong $

top

tragh

tre, tri $

treb

trep

treud

trozdos

tuegh

tueis

tuer I

tuer II

tuerk $

ua I

ua II

uab

uad

uadh

uag I, uag $

uag II

uagh, (s)uagh

uai

uak

ual $

ual(s)

uat

ud $

udero

ue, aue, uen $

uebh(s)??? $

Ued

uedh $

ueg I

ueg II $

uegh $

ueguh

uei $

ueid $

u(e)idh $

ueik I $

ueik II

ueik III

ueip, ueib

ueis

uek(s) $

uel I

uel II $

uel II $

uelk

uelt

uelu

uem $

uen $

uendh $

uer I

uer II $

uer III

uer IV

uer V

uer VI $

uer VII $

u(e)rad

(u)er(e)dh

uerg $

uero

uers $

ues I $

ues II $

ue(s)h

uesper

ue(s)r $

uet

ugu, ud $

uid

uidhu

?uio

uiro $

ul

ulkuo $

ulp $

upo $

ureg $

?urod $

?x

?xenos

?yack

yap

?zip

zoilism

 

India was invaded and completely conquered from the north by an Aryan, Iranian, or Cimmerian people using chariots and they instituted the caste (color) system.  India was extremely backward before the new order was instilled in them.  Luckily for India today, they received a good blood transfusion during this time which serves them today.  Otherwise, they would have a civilization roughly equivalent to the aborigines in Australia or Borneo.  These northern peoples were roaming all over the place, for example, the Alans, who were split by the Huns and joined the Germans in their various invasions.  I also regret that Iran was converted over to the Arabic (Semitic) islam, but hopefully, they can shake that off some day and return to their former greatness.