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    Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 17:30
SHARED LEGENDS

In this thread I would love for AE forumer's to share certain legends that are shared between different peoples. It can be something like, for example, the modern idea of Santa Claus, or the Virgin Mary sighting at Medugorje.

For my example I want to share the story of Safikada.

Safikada was a real woman, of this we are certain. While we cannot say if the legend surrounding her is true, we can say her grave in the city of Banja Luka, in northern Bosnia and Herzegovina, still exists and still bears a specific passage normally reserved by those who died by their own hand.

The legend of Safikada is well-known among Bosniaks, Bosnian Croats, and Bosnian Serbs who were born and raised in the city of Banja Luka (not the city's current population). It is also well-known among Turks of Bosniak ancestry in Izmir, many of whom still visit her grave to light candles and say prayers.

At the time Safikada was born, Banja Luka was, as it was for much of the Ottoman Empire's course in this region, a dangerous frontier city. It was a city of Ottoman soldiers, quaint Bosniak peasants, and constant heartache and misery due to violent incursions from Christian areas of Europe.

Thus it was generally frowned upon in Banja Luka for a young woman to marry a soldier, even though soldiers were among the most desirable of suitors elsewhere in Bosnia. It was certainly frowned upon for the most beautiful woman in the city, a woman whose name was on the lips of every boy and whose body was in their most private fantasies.

Safikada, however, didn't let this scare her away from love. She fell madly in love with a Turkish soldier from Izmir who was stationed at Banja Luka's famous Kastel. Even though it went against the traditions of the time, she openly walked the streets with him, holding hands, and courting publicly.

To put an end to it, the Turkish soldier's influential commanders persuaded the Sultan to transfer him back to Anatolia. Safikada and the Turkish soldier vowed to be faithful to each other until death and for the next several years Safikada walked the streets of Banja Luka alone, wearing a widow's black burqha. She refused so many suitors that she became a joke in Banja Luka and the jealous women and lustful boys taunted her fidelity to her "imaginary Turk".

With time, word reached Banja Luka that the Turkish soldier had been killed. Safikada's father, who always bowed to the wishes of his daughter, finally accepted a suitor and arranged for her marriage - but it was too late. The day she found out her lover had died, Safikada wore her wedding dress to the Kastel, waited until the cannons were lit, and then stood before one screaming, "I will remain faithful to you until I die".

She was not killed instantly by the cannon and was carried away on boards by anxious and frightened Turkish soldiers. While entering the city of Banja Luka she passed away. Afraid to touch her beautiful body, they left her there in the street where she was eventually burried, not far from the kastel.

Her grave is, as I've said, still visited by residents of both Banja Luka and Izmir.


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  Quote ArashKamangir Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jun-2006 at 20:20
i am more than willing to share some legends with people, however, if i do that, seko is gonna ban me and accuse me of plagarism...
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  Quote Seko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jun-2006 at 21:43
Sorry ArashKamangir.
 
Even if I thought that you were really trying to behave by compliance to codes of conduct you have not shown your ability to do it so far. Due to your past trolling, heavy copy/pasting and flaming in various threads you should have known that I take such wrongful behavior a bit serious in the forums that I tend to moderate.
 
Though you have shown a tricky tendancy to reincarnate yourself (knowing that it is against the rules) I have no choice but to ban you again as your new identity, ArashKamangir. 


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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jul-2006 at 14:15
Are you only looking for mediaeval date legends? I am researching ancient ones and have found many common "myths" across cultures around the world see:
http://www.freewebs.com/lifetradition/history.htm

The only AD one that comes to mind is William Tell (Austria), Egil (Norse), William of Cloudeseley (England).
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  Quote xristar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jul-2006 at 10:27
Hmm, I do not know many Greek legends.
 
One however would be the 'frozen king'.
When the Turks entered Constaninople in 29th of May 1453, the last Emperor, Constantine XI, entered the battle. This fact even though not proven, is accepted as true (the fact that Constantine entered himself the conflict). Well, his fate must have been death, but his corpse could not be found, as the Turks had cut the heads of the fallen. Mohamed (or whatever it is his name in english) ordered his soldiers to find him. A corpse of a man with the emperor's insignia was found, and it was buried as the corpse of Constantine.
Now, the legend says that as the emperor was fighting, a Turk had risen his sword ready to kill him. But an angel sent from the Lord came and grabbed the Emperor, and hid him. I know one version that claims that the angel hid him under Agia Sophia, and another that claims that the angel hid him under the Golden Gate (one of the city's gates). The angel left him frozen (as a statue frozen) and took his sword. And now, the frozen King remains there waiting, until the Lord decides to give him back the sword with which he was fighting, and make the City Greek again. 
 
Other legends are of Digenis Akritas, a medieval legend of the 8th-9th century. There are many songs of him. Digenis (Vasileios Digenis Akritas) was half Seracen-half Greek (Byzantine). He is the most recognizable figure in the Greek legends, probably.
 

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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jul-2006 at 15:01
That's a good one as it brings to mind all the sleeping heroes legends like King Arthur, Barbarossa, etc.
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  Quote QueenCleopatra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Aug-2006 at 15:02
Ireland has some lovely legends . One of my favourites is Clann Lir or the Children of Lir.
 
This is the story of of the 4 children of King Lir who were turned into swans by their wicked stepmother Aoife for 900 years.She was jealous becuase she thought Lir loved them more than her. But after the deed was done she was sorry and left them thier human voices. When Lir found out he turned her into and Air Demon. He found the swans on the lake singing beautiful songs. And stayed with them for many days.
 
 They had to spend 300 on the lake where they were cursed 300 on The sea of Moyle and 300 on Irras Domhnda only to return home to find their home and father gone before the Monk Moamog took pity on them and brought them to his monastry. There they were given magic silver chains which were later tron off by the King of Munster turning the swans back to old men and a woman.


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  Quote Khashayarshah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Nov-2006 at 19:15
read the shahmaneh. there is a very good copy in english. it is not in poetry though.
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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2006 at 07:50
Originally posted by xristar

Hmm, I do not know many Greek legends.
 
One however would be the 'frozen king'.
When the Turks entered Constaninople in 29th of May 1453, the last Emperor, Constantine XI, entered the battle. This fact even though not proven, is accepted as true (the fact that Constantine entered himself the conflict). Well, his fate must have been death, but his corpse could not be found, as the Turks had cut the heads of the fallen. Mohamed (or whatever it is his name in english) ordered his soldiers to find him. A corpse of a man with the emperor's insignia was found, and it was buried as the corpse of Constantine.
Now, the legend says that as the emperor was fighting, a Turk had risen his sword ready to kill him. But an angel sent from the Lord came and grabbed the Emperor, and hid him. I know one version that claims that the angel hid him under Agia Sophia, and another that claims that the angel hid him under the Golden Gate (one of the city's gates). The angel left him frozen (as a statue frozen) and took his sword. And now, the frozen King remains there waiting, until the Lord decides to give him back the sword with which he was fighting, and make the City Greek again. 
 
Other legends are of Digenis Akritas, a medieval legend of the 8th-9th century. There are many songs of him. Digenis (Vasileios Digenis Akritas) was half Seracen-half Greek (Byzantine). He is the most recognizable figure in the Greek legends, probably.
 
 
I think some people take this legend seriously: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJpa1dOruW8
 
It also reminds me the saving of Paris by Aphrodite from being killed by Menelaos.
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  Quote xristar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2006 at 10:53

It also reminds me the saving of Paris by Aphrodite from being killed by Menelaos.

This saving (of Constantine) is more honorous. Paris' saving was cowardly. Paris was also returned to the hug of Helen, while Constantine froze and waits in the eternity.
I like the byzantine version more.

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  Quote Patrinos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2006 at 19:24
Turks must have afraid of that legend because they built/closed a door in Hagia Sophia which according to the lengend was the one the last king escaped from

Another greek legend for the fall(and the future liberation)of Polis is this: " A monk in Constantinoupolis was frying seven fishes,and when only the one side of the fishes was fried one shout "Ealo i Polis"(The Polis is fallen) and the monk said "Never they will capture this city as never these fish can get their lives back"...and suddenly the half-fried fishes jumped into the near rillet.And the legend says that these fishes are still alive in Balukli(go find them ) and they will be caught freewill by another Greek monk when the City will be liberated....in order to be fried and on the other side so the legend be fullfiled"

Maybe you have better : videos

Another greek legend very alive until today is that of an Alexander's sister,called Gorgona(ancient Gorgon,half woman half fish). The legend says that when ships travelling and there is a sea-storm Gorgon appears and asks the captain:"Zei o Megalexandros?"(Alexander the Great lives?) and the captains reply " Zei kai vasileuei kai ton kosmo kyrieuei"(Lives and reign and the word rules) and then Alexander's sister calm down as the sea too.
    

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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Nov-2006 at 06:07
Originally posted by Patrinos

 Maybe you have better : videos 
A great synthesis of Greek and Turkish fasciscms!LOLLOLLOL . AFAIK the video is made by an ultranationalist Greek party and the song says "we are the soldiers of Alparslan Turkesh (the late leader of Turkish fascists)!
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Nice cooperation indeed. Smile

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That's a beautiful legend Mila and very moving, thanks for sharing it.
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  Quote alexandruu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 14:50
Hello,
 
One of my favourite legends happens to be a "shared" one, e.g. sprea across the Balkans.
 
In my country, the story is called "Monastirea Argesului" or "Mesterul Manole". The main idea is that a great king (the legendary Negru Voda in Romania) wants to build a sacred place to last for eternity. That's why he appoints the greatest architects to design and construct the greatest monastery of their time. The builders start their work, but every night, the walls collapse as if built on moving sand. Within a dream, the architect in charge finds out that the birth of a new sacred-building demands its blood token. So, he is forced to sacrifice his own wife ("Ana") in order to pacify the forces that were continously ravaging his work. So, "Manole" builds the walls around his wife, in order to project his name into eternity. 
 
Symbolicaly speaking, the building grows from human blood, its mortar is mixed with tears, and the dead walls consume the life of the sacrificed woman.
 
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Homer, anyone? Oddysseus visited an awful lot of places.
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