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Tangriberdi
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Topic: The Byerley Turk Posted: 15-Jun-2006 at 17:08 |
Hi Gok toruk . I agree with you on what you tell about politics in Turkmenistan. Those who will decide whether he is good or bad for Turkmenistan are Turkmens. Just think about the independence of your country and don't ever let forigners intervene your internal affairs. If not you can be worse than Turkey. Look at Turkey. A puppet in the hands of the U.S.A, an unwelcome candidate in E.U, Corrupted and degenerated Muslim country of Middle East, and bossy and imperialist so called brother of Turks. Huh?
Turkey is collapsing. Say goodbye to Turkey, if not Turks in Turkey will wake up from a long sleep and begin to save the country again.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 17-Jun-2006 at 13:33 |
Thanks for the advice my dear friend. You've always been nice to me. Good to see somebody knows the situation in Turkmenistan.
'chinnan oz Turkmenim dey seng ozung'...
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Posted: 19-Jun-2006 at 02:01 |
Originally posted by Tangriberdi
Hi Gok toruk . I agree with you on what you tell about politics in Turkmenistan. Those who will decide whether he is good or bad for Turkmenistan are Turkmens. Just think about the independence of your country and don't ever let forigners intervene your internal affairs. If not you can be worse than Turkey. Look at Turkey. A puppet in the hands of the U.S.A, an unwelcome candidate in E.U, Corrupted and degenerated Muslim country of Middle East, and bossy and imperialist so called brother of Turks. Huh?
Turkey is collapsing. Say goodbye to Turkey, if not Turks in Turkey will wake up from a long sleep and begin to save the country again.
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As being a Turk from Turkey I'am agreed with not all but most of what Tangriberdi said. He is right.
To Turks of Turkey who criticise Turkmenistan and other countries: Just look at your own business, look at your own government and your prime minister. This kind of behavior; critics of other people, government and states, undermining them are typical European (west) style of behavior. You may be used to be degraded by Europeans as being a Turk from Turkey but do not expect that everybody will be like you as you see in case of our Turkmen brothers. There is a concept that can not be bought or sold; it is called honour. In Turkish we say ONUR coming from the root ON-. Most probably this word has passed from Turkish to western languages.
Now would you please go and check if "free" and "democratic" Turkish government has done his "homeworks" given by Europaen Union. Long live democratic and free Turkey.
Please do not give us "foreign news sources" to prove something. CNBC, CNN and others are ruling your concepts, they decide how you should think about others. If you want to free your mind just try to read more and learn to use also your brain. Do not let someone think for you.....
Do not mess wit others. Just look at your own business. Do not forget to respect everyone, do not forget our culture, do not become an imitated so-called European.....
Edited by Alparslan - 19-Jun-2006 at 02:14
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Yiannis
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Posted: 19-Jun-2006 at 02:43 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
. There is a concept that can not be bought or sold; it is called honour. In Turkish we say ONUR coming from the root ON-. Most probably this word has passed from Turkish to western languages. |
Actually it's Latin. E.g.
Honor est praemium virtutis. Honour is virtue's reward.
Btw, all these ex-Soviet republics, especially those of Central Asia need to get rid of the brutal dictators that are in power now and move towards democracy, hopefully peacefully!
Heydar Aliyev, Karimov and Niyazov of Turkmenistan are amongst the cruelest in the area and they oppress their people with the threat of the Kalashnikov. Thousands and tens of thousands of political adversaries are rusting in their prisons. Still they get help from the US because of their natural resources wealth and because US wants them to have a grasp in this area and to counter Russia.
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The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics
Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
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Tangriberdi
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Posted: 19-Jun-2006 at 14:32 |
Originally posted by gok_toruk
'chinnan oz Turkmenim dey seng ozung'... |
**EDITED FOR NOT WRITING IN ENGLISH!**
Edited by Seko - 19-Jun-2006 at 14:55
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Posted: 19-Jun-2006 at 19:05 |
Giannis
Heydar Aliyev, Karimov and Niyazov of Turkmenistan are amongst the cruelest in the area
You've been to that area have you....
Go there and ask the people what they think before making wild accusations.
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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.
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Posted: 19-Jun-2006 at 20:29 |
People in North Korea think they are the happiest in the world also...
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Yiannis
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Posted: 20-Jun-2006 at 03:14 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
Giannis
Heydar Aliyev, Karimov and Niyazov of Turkmenistan are amongst the cruelest in the area
You've been to that area have you....
Go there and ask the people what they think before making wild accusations. |
Since not all of us are able to leave our jobs and travel to Central Asian countries to check on the Human Rights situation in each of them (as apparently you have), I tend to trust organizations who are empowered to do so and have a proven record of reliability. So here goes:
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The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics
Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
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Tangriberdi
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Posted: 20-Jun-2006 at 14:30 |
I think Yiannis, has typical Greek biases towards Turks. No matter they are from Turkey or from Turkestan.
Just tying to make a joke. Don't take it serious.
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Posted: 20-Jun-2006 at 18:23 |
why would you say that? his list doesnt include the mother of all turkic nations
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Posted: 21-Jun-2006 at 03:29 |
Tangriberdi, what were you trying to post? Please start with English and tell me the Turkmen part in quotations like I did. Thanks in advance.
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Posted: 21-Jun-2006 at 14:04 |
Originally posted by gok_toruk
'chinnan oz Turkmenim dey seng ozung'... |
Hmsh Iranly Trkmen bolanymy aytypdym da sen ynanmadyn'.
Trkmenlighime ynandyrmaq ichun Trkmen siyasatyna l salyshym gerek edi mi? Barcha oylarym biln, yashashym biln rf adat bilrligim biln kp yarashyan Trkmenimdir.
TRANSLATION INTO ENGLISH:
I always said that I had been a Turkmen from Iran. Should I have commented on Turkmen politics so that I was believed to be a Turkmen?
With all my ideas, life style and conventionalism, I am a really becoming (fitting)Turkmen.
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Posted: 22-Jun-2006 at 12:04 |
El chekseney; inanman bolsom, nameden choorip, Turkmenche yazdim, hi? Unutmadiq bolsom, Owghanli Turkmen diding. Yone Irana goshtingiz, sheyle dal mi? Yone, kepliyan Turkmenchang bir az utkeshik raq didim. Shumatqi yazaningda da, 'edi' dimeging ayityarakhim
Ay hawwoda, nirde bolsong, haysi at da bolsong, esen aman ghal.
No need to translate it...
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Posted: 22-Jun-2006 at 12:30 |
Dog'ry sz, ynanmayan bolsan' nmden Trkmenche yazan'. Hayysh eyliyoryn.
Hech uwaqt Awg'anly Turkmen dimdim. Sen yan'lysh dushindin' belkim. Mnin' ata babalarym bilyn uwaqtlaryndan beri Atraq zenine yaqyn yerde Gurgana yaqyn yerde yashayor ediler. Son' bu yere srildiler. Man'a dshindirdik nrslri budur. Myna beyle... Esen gal
Right, if you had not believed me, you did not write in Turkmen to me. Sorry. Never I said that they had been Turkmens from Afghanistan. Perhaps you misunderstood me.. My forefathers lived near Gurgan and Atrak river since the times they had knew themselves. Later they were exiled to this place. That was what they told me. That's it. Bye...
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Posted: 24-Jun-2006 at 11:34 |
Kechewor mennen yalngish anglan bolsom. Indi, entek bilip dun. Kurgen didiging, ozi Iranli Wulayetlarning ortalighi. Otayda, Parslar koplench kan Turkmenlerden. Yone, Kurgennen tashghari, yuqor baqa gha kitseng, Kumbet yanaq yerlerke, yoqso, Kurgenning qayra baqasi gha, Pars dimek kop az. Sheyle da. 'Yoqsodo, manga bir ish bitirseng, better qowi boljoq. Atang dan eneng den bir soroshtir. Turkmening chin qaray chiraysi (yuzi) na hilli? Hokman soro. Bir de 'qul' birle 'iig'ing utkeshyan yeri, neme di de ayit mini da. Sorosong, ozinge de, manga da heywere qowi bojoq... barbar yanaqlar gha ayitp tushunturseng, kop qowi.Qaraship dun qaytarghing dan choorip'.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. I remember now. The city you mentioned 'Gorgan' is the center for an Iranian province. In Gorgan, most of the population is consisted of Farses (Turkmens and Kazaks are found here and there). But if you go to east of north of Gorgan to Gonbad, Farses are really hard to find. That's it.
Edited by gok_toruk - 24-Jun-2006 at 11:37
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Posted: 24-Jun-2006 at 17:04 |
Originally posted by gok_toruk
Atang dan eneng den bir soroshtir. Turkmening chin qaray chiraysi (yuzi) na hilli? Hokman soro. Bir de 'qul' birle 'iig'ing utkeshyan yeri, neme di de ayit mini da. |
Namchun sorushdurjaghyn. Anamyn' beti ben'zi Tp Trkmen. Nhili Trkmenchede dshindirjghimi bilmyoq. Anamyn' Trkmen gany arydyr pakdyr. Hm atam Trkiyeli Trk bopdurur. Bizin' Trkmenchede ishleten
Gulymyz İngilizchede slave dimek.
Iig nmedir? Bizde bir iyi bar. Trkchedeki mana bilen oqshash. Bizde ham good dimek ham healthy dimek ham pure dimek.
Bu sorashlaryny yatdyrgadym bilasin'.
Why am I supposed to do such a thing. My mother is apparently Turkmen. I do not know how to explain in Turkmen. My Turkmen is not enough. Turkmen blood of my mother is pure. My father is a Turk from Turkey.
We use Gul to mean a slave.
What is iig. We have a iyi , it is similar to Turkish counterpart. Meaning good healthy and pure.
You should know that some of your questions were weird to me.
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