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Topic: Turkmen Carpets. Brief History. Posted: 07-Jun-2006 at 06:48 |
Turkmen carpets are the world-renowned handmade textiles of the Turkmen people. The most inspiring evidence of the fact that our rugs are a historical legacy is the "Pazyryk rug" found in the Altay mountains and carbon-dated to have been produced as early as in the 4 B.C.E. Pazaryk has major similarities to Turkmen carpets.
Traditions of carpet-weaving have ancient history on this blessed land. An Italian traveler Marco Polo was the first to mention the Turkmen carpets in XIII century. In the 12th chapter of his well-renowned manuscripts he writes: "The finest and the most beautiful carpets are made here and rich fabric of red and other colors are woven here." Even if by the time of Marco Polo the Turkmen carpets had reached such fineness and beauty, it is not difficult to suppose that the roots go far back to the earlier period because a carpet is mainly a result of creative work of many generations of nameless weavers. In European Renaissance paintings one will be amazed at a number of Turkmen carpets. In "St John Altarpiece" by Hans Memling, we can view the archaic Turkmen Salyr (Chuval) Gol thought perhaps produced by the Turkmen weavers in Anatolia (Turkey). In "Still Life" by the same artist, one the most archaic Turkmen gols is depicted. The nomenclature for this gol is... "Memling Gol".
Carpet products such as chuvals, khorjuns, torbas (tent and saddle-bags) were intended to use for purposes of clothing, transportation of various household paraphernalia substituting camels, horses, nomad tents, wedding procession. Every day use of carpet products stipulated their form.
The archaic social system of the Turkmen people is known to have been characterized by the tribal structure. So in textbooks on carpets and carpet products are named by their tribal origin. The major Turkmen tribes are Teke (Tekke), Yomut (Yomud), Arsary (Ersary), Chowdur (Choudur), Saryk (Saryq), Salyr (Salor).
Origin of ornamental carpet designs has realistic basis. Reality surrounding a carpet-weaver was reflected in the carpet design: vegetation and animal kingdom, irrigated fields, etc. These designs that have preserved for centuries are of emphatic national character. Gols (Guls), carpet patterns of the central field, may be of different type.
Carpet articles are closely connected with the everyday life, and this fact determined their form. One of the most typical examples is the carpet doorhanging - "ensi". Not large rectangular rug with clear-cut composition of the upper and lower sides. Ther lower band is usually wider than the upper sides. Ornamental patterns of ensi differ from the patterns of floor-coverings.
Carpets are symbol of Turkmen culture in general. Each Turkmen tribe owns its own unique motifs and 5 major ones are depicted on our national banner.
The largest collection of antique Turkmen textiles is located at the Turkmen National Carpet Museum that was opened in 1993 in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan. More than a thousand of 18th and 19th century carpets, khorjuns, chuvals, torbas are displayed.
The Turkmen people boast to have woven the largest wool carpet in the world in 2001 that made it even to the Guiness Book of Records. Its area is approximately 300 sq.m. (3333 sq.f.) and weighes almost 1.5 metric tons.
Although the art is ancient, it became truly popular only in the second half of the 19th century. Rugs were produced for nomadic and semi-nomadic Turkmen population. Needless to say, the Turkmen people had no contacts with the Europeans. When the first carpet exhibitions were held in Vienna and Berlin, the spectators were stunned by the original beauty of the masterpieces of yet unseen Oriental art.
Generic Turkmen patterns are predominantly geometric in design. Quite many variations of the red color are characteristic of the Turkmen weaving.
www.turkmencarpets-online.com
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Posted: 07-Jun-2006 at 11:35 |
'khosh keltyng shir qartashym. Kachannan beri bu yerge Turkmen keler diyyp kozleshyan. Kop begennym. Bu yazghy, yoneche, 'sak bol' dimek tyr ayitghan sozleryng uchun (yoksodo, hazirlik, mende Turkmen font yok eken).
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Posted: 11-Jun-2006 at 15:38 |
Do you export those things?
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Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 00:51 |
Originally posted by arashomid
Do you export those things? |
Yes, we do.
By the way, Turkmen carpets are also known as Bukhara carpets because in the past they were sold to external markets through the modern-day Uzbek city of Bukhara. However, more and more these carpets are called Turkmen.
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Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 13:18 |
Originally posted by Shir
Originally posted by arashomid
Do you export those things? |
Yes, we do.
By the way, Turkmen carpets are also known as Bukhara carpets because in the past they were sold to external markets through the modern-day Uzbek city of Bukhara. However, more and more these carpets are called Turkmen. |
You are my turkmen brother...
Memnoon oldum.
How is Turkmenistan brother?
Allah seni seviyor.
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Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 13:22 |
president niyazov looks like Mongolian person...
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Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 13:26 |
All original Turkmens are Mongoloid. There's a description, especially among Yomut tribe. People who are of a slave descent, are called 'qull' (Shir, I use 'q' instead of 'k'; because it's understood easier than 'k'); they look like more caucaid. And people who are original Turkmen (racially), are called 'igi' or 'ig' (which means 'pure'). People like President Niyazov are 'igi'.
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Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 13:36 |
Originally posted by gok_toruk
All original Turkmens are Mongoloid. There's a description, especially among Yomut tribe. People who are of a slave descent, are called 'qull' (Shir, I use 'q' instead of 'k'; because it's understood easier than 'k'); they look like more caucaid. And people who are original Turkmen (racially), are called 'igi' or 'ig' (which means 'pure'). People like President Niyazov are 'igi'. |
thanks for telling me this, teshekur barada.
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Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 14:06 |
How's it going arash omid?
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Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 17:41 |
I am fine, yeenam. Thank you for asking me. How is Turkmenistan?
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 00:47 |
PRESIDENT OF TURKMENISTAN SAPARMURAT NIYAZOV |
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Saparmurat Niyazov was born on February 19, 1940, into a worker's family in Ashgabat. His father died in battle in World War II and the remaining members of his family perished in Ashgabat's massive earthquake of 1948. He was raised first in an orphanage and later in the home of his distant relatives.
Mr. Niyazov graduated from the Leningrad Polytechnic Institute in 1966 with a degree in power engineering and began work at the Bezmeinskaya Power Station near Ashgabat.
In 1962 Mr. Niyazov became a member of the Communist Party. In 1985 he was appointed Chairman of the Council of Ministers of Turkmenistan and was subsequently elected First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Turkmenistan, the highest state and party post. On January 13, 1990, Mr. Niyazov became Chairman of the Supreme Soviet, the supreme legislative body in the republic.
On October 27, 1990, Mr. Niyazov was elected the first president of the Turkmen Soviet Socialist Republic. Under his leadership, on October 27, 1991, Turkmenistan proclaimed its sovereignty from the Soviet Union. In a second presidential election held on June 21, 1991, which was necessitated by the adoption of the new constitution, Mr. Niyazov was elected President of Turkmenistan. Mr. Niyazov is also Chairman of the Cabinet of Ministers and Chairman of the Democratic Party of Turkmenistan.
Mr. Niyazov's success as President of Turkmenistan has been attributed to his extensive and productive work in stabilizing the economic situation of the country. He has established Turkmenistan's international prestige and has displayed concern for the people's well-being. Following his election, one of the first resolutions to be adopted was a decree on the free use of water, gas and electricity by the people of Turkmenistan.
As founder and president of the Association of Turkmens of the World, Mr. Niyazov holds the official title of Turkmenbashi, Leader of all Ethnic Turkmens.
Mr. Niyazov was awarded the Magtymguly International Prize for achieving the aim of Magtymguly, the great Turkmen poet and philosopher: the establishment of an independent state of Turkmenistan.
Mr. Niyazov is married and has two children. He is interested in poetry,philosophy, history and music.
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Maybe niyazov is a descendant of Genghis Khan...
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 03:34 |
Originally posted by gok_toruk
All original Turkmens are Mongoloid. There's a description, especially among Yomut tribe. People who are of a slave descent, are called 'qull' (Shir, I use 'q' instead of 'k'; because it's understood easier than 'k'); they look like more caucaid. And people who are original Turkmen (racially), are called 'igi' or 'ig' (which means 'pure'). People like President Niyazov are 'igi'. |
Genetics claims differently:
Source: Am. J. Hum. Genet. 71:466482, 2002
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 04:21 |
Those genetic pies are irrelevant to the actual appearance of people.. I have R1b it is the same as most Northern Europeans but I do not look like one of them.
Do you realise each section of those pies accounts as an estimate of the portion of the population with those HGs?
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 04:58 |
They do some how related to the looks of the people, just it's Y Chromosomal (father to son) linage.
On the above picture, Hg36 seems to be related to the Aralid-Turanid-Caucasian, While Hg3 to the Pamirid-Turanid-Caucasian, and Hg10 to Tungid-Mongolic. This can explain why Turkic people in central asia have some mongolic feature, but they are mainly Turanid.
Haplogroups 12 and 16, widespread in Siberia and northern Eurasia were rare in Central Asia, with the exception of the Turkmen, among whom haplogroup12 was present with a frequency of 10%, and the Mongolians, among whom haplogroup 16 accounted for 8% of the chromosomes.
I think this can explain why some Turkman people look Mongolic.
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 07:03 |
What was the sample size? you cannot get a general representation of an entire country by taking samples of a few people.
If you took sample of people in Cornwall and Newcastle in England there would be some regional differences but it doesn't mean anything what-so-ever.
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 09:45 |
I am so tired of this racial discussion. This post is about turkmenistan not race!!!
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 09:55 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
What was the sample size? you cannot get a general representation of an entire country by taking samples of a few people.
If you took sample of people in Cornwall and Newcastle in England there would be some regional differences but it doesn't mean anything what-so-ever. |
I also think that the sampling is important in these studies, not necessarily the size, but the representability. Anyway, they do can give us a general picture.
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 09:59 |
Originally posted by arashomid
I am so tired of this racial discussion. This post is about turkmenistan not race!!! |
we are also brother. But the discussions started after your this post:
president niyazov looks like Mongolian person... |
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 11:37 |
barbar, where are you from? what is your nationality?
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 11:54 |
All I keep hearing is Turanid turanoid what is that. I thought turks were origenally a heatrogenous people???
BTW arsashomid mabey of topic some pics you posted of cengis han look different some with more caucasiod features?? (turkic warrior I think)
I thought that babar was uigur in one of his posts he wrote
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Posted: 2006 24 May at 9:32am |
Agreed, we never think that we are original Turks. We are quite aware that we also have mixed pretty much just as other Turkic groups. So we feel flattered when some Turkish brothers say that we are "mother Turks".
BTW, can anyone open the original article, I'd be gratedul if you could send it to me as a PM. |
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