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Topic: Indecisive Battles of History Posted: 29-Jul-2006 at 09:30 |
Ypres during WW1, with the battle of passchendale. I know they eventually conquered the village but loosing 700.000 commonwealth soldiers wasn't really profitable, due to this they lacked men when the launched the first offensive with tanks and shortly after the battle the germans withdrew to a better position.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2006 at 16:43 |
The battle of Jutland in 1916. The only clash of two "dreadnaught battleship"fleets in history and it ended without a result.
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Posted: 26-Aug-2006 at 16:29 |
well Jutland allowed Britain to form its blockade of German ports.
Battle of the Boyne-still unresolved in over 300 years.
Somme-50000 dead per crater width of enemy territory captured.
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Posted: 20-May-2007 at 07:55 |
i'd just like to suggest the battle of lepanto as a candidate, it is highly regarded among historians yet it is an almost forgotten fact that the ottoman fleet was rebuilt within six months and their naval supremacy re-asserted after that. in the seventeenth century their explorers sailed as far as the caribbean, newfoundland, iceland and greenland.
the battle of lepanto was a symbolic victory, really. it had no lasting impact on the ottoman navy, aside from quelling the myth of ottoman invincibilty.
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Posted: 20-May-2007 at 08:00 |
You could say that Wellington's siege of Toulouse was rather indecisive, in that it was fought after peace was signed by Napoleon. The news had yet to reach Wellington in the south of France, and he managed to rapidly take the fortress from Marshal Soult. The English, however, did gain another city, hence making it decisive in that way. The siege of Toulouse was more 'unnecessary' than 'indecisive'.
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Posted: 20-May-2007 at 08:19 |
Originally posted by kurt
i'd just like to suggest the battle of lepanto as a
candidate, it is highly regarded among historians yet it is an almost
forgotten fact that the ottoman fleet was rebuilt within six months and
their naval supremacy re-asserted after that. in the seventeenth
century their explorers sailed as far as the caribbean, newfoundland,
iceland and greenland.
the battle of lepanto was a symbolic victory, really. it had no
lasting impact on the ottoman navy, aside from quelling the myth of
ottoman invincibilty. |
It prevented them from gaining any sort of foothold on the European
coast outside the Balkans and East Med. The Ottomans went on to achieve
successes, but they couldnt expand into Italy or Sicily.
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Posted: 21-May-2007 at 00:24 |
Can we also mention Invasions that gained nothing? If so, i would just like to mention that the invasion of Sicily, by King Pyrrhus l"the great", of the Mollossians, ended with him leaving, while the entire island was successfully revolting from his rule.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2007 at 07:21 |
Battle of Kadesh
- True Hittite "Victory" in terms of tactics
- Egyption physiological victory
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Posted: 11-Oct-2007 at 07:46 |
Do you mean psychological victory?
Each side claim to have won, but in the end, it wasn't all that indecisive. The two agreed on friendly terms, creating a Middle Eastern superpower. No one would mess with them after that. So in a sense, the battle was very important for affirming Hittite and Egyptian control over the Middle East.
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Posted: 13-Nov-2007 at 03:21 |
Battle of Pteria 547 or 546 B.C
Achaemenid Persian forces under Cyrus the Great marched to recapture the town of Pteria from the Lydians under Croesus of Lydia. The Persians and Lydians suffered heavy casualties. The Lydians withdrew their forces back to their teritories in Anatolia (modern-day Turkey).
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Posted: 13-Nov-2007 at 03:26 |
Originally posted by Knights
Do you mean psychological victory?
Each side claim to have won, but in the end, it wasn't all that indecisive. The two agreed on friendly terms, creating a Middle Eastern superpower. No one would mess with them after that. So in a sense, the battle was very important for affirming Hittite and Egyptian control over the Middle East.
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Thanks for correcting me.
Aftermath of the battle...
Ramesses prudently gathered his troops and retreated south towards Damascus, and ultimately back to Egypt. Once back in Egypt, Ramesses proclaimed that he had won a great victory but in reality all he had managed to do was to rescue his army.[13] In a sense, however, the Battle of Kadesh was a personal triumph for Ramesses since after blundering into a devastating Hittite ambush, the young king had courageously rallied his scattered troops to fight on the battlefield while escaping death or capture.[citation needed]
Hittite records from Boghazkoy tell of a very different conclusion to the battle where a humiliated Ramesses was forced to depart from Kadesh in defeat. The Hittite king, Muwatalli II, continued to successfully campaign as far south as the Egyptian province of Upi (Apa), which he placed under the control of his brother Hattusili III.[14] Egypt's sphere of influence in Asia was now restricted to Canaan.[15] Even this was threatened for a time and Ramesses was compelled to embark on a series of campaigns in Canaan in order to uphold his authority there before he could initiate further assaults against the Hittite Empire in his Years 8 and 9 when he successfully captured the cities of Dapur and Tunip.[16]
The conflicts were finally concluded by a peace treaty in 1258 BC, in the 21st year of Ramesses II's reign, with Hattusili III, the new king of the Hittites.[17] The treaty that was established was inscribed on a silver tablet, of which a clay copy survived in the Hittite capital of Hattusa, in modern Turkey, and is on display at the Istanbul Archaeology Museum. An enlarged replica of the Kadesh agreement hangs on a wall at the headquarters of the United Nations, as one of the earliest international peace treaties. Its text, in the Hittite version, appears in the links below. An Egyptian version survives in a papyrus.
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Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 11:12 |
The battle of Borodino.
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Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 12:40 |
Battle of Kiev 1941. Something like a million Russian casalties, and nothing is gained for the Germans.
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Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 17:38 |
Kiev is gained? how can yous ay it was indescisive, it was one of the most descisive battles ever.
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Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 18:01 |
Lets see the German advance on Moscow, you know the one which could have won the war was deleyed for several weeks.
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Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 18:42 |
Moscow was Army group center and Moscow was army group south, where is the connection?
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Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 18:55 |
It was ARmy Groups centers armour which was diverted to the Kiev sector.
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Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 19:18 |
but you cannot ignore such a big troop concentration in the same way as Brest fortress for example. besides army group south also had to achieve its goals in time.
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Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 19:29 |
Battle of Edgehill
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Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 19:37 |
AGS and AGN purpose was secondary to AGC, which is why it had hald the German troop strengh, most of the armour and artillery, and almost all the mech inf.
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