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Topic: Egyptian Female Pharaohs Posted: 13-Feb-2012 at 03:38 |
Yes,agree about it!GB status of rulers proves us that today!Queen or King it is ruler!
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Posted: 13-Feb-2012 at 03:19 |
Objectively, there isn'y difference between being declared "a pharaoh" and "queen regnant" /the last is a Western term for a position of being a female pharaoh: "... The term
pharaoh was the title of an ancient
Egyptian king who was considered to be a living god and worshipped as a
deity. Nitocris is believed to be the first female Pharaoh of Egypt. The
pharaoh was an absolute ruler of Egypt, both the political
and religious leader. ..." http://www.king-tut.org.uk/egyptian-pharaohs/nitocris.htm
All Egyptian "queens" were Pharaohs http://www.ancientnile.co.uk/pharaohs-women.php
"...There are three women in Egyptian history who are clearly identified
as pharaoh, Nitocris, Hatshepsut, Cleopatra. Nitocris is the first.
Her name appears in a cartouche, which is reserved for pharaohs. ..." http://www.phouka.com/pharaoh/pharaoh/dynasties/dyn06/06nitocris.html
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Posted: 13-Feb-2012 at 02:25 |
Books on women in ancient Egypt that I have mention Nitocris and Sobekneferu as Queens Regnant (that is Queens in their own right rather than being just the wives of kings). Hatshepsut seems to have been the only one to actually have herself declared Pharoah. Twosret is mentioned as being the fourth Queen regnant of Egypt, but nothing is known of her reign. Hatshepsut seems to be the only one about whom much is known. Nefertiti is not mentioned as being a queen in her own right, though she does seem to have been given an unusually prominent position by Akhenaten.
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Posted: 04-Dec-2011 at 19:18 |
I never knew there were so many female Pharaohs besides Cleopatra, Hatshepsut and Nefertiti
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Posted: 14-Nov-2011 at 04:05 |
Hatshepsut
was one of the most important female pharaohs of Egypt. She ruled
during the early part of the 18th Dynasty, an exciting time known as the
‘Golden Age of Egypt’ that includes many of the best known pharaohs and
queens, including King Tutankhamen, Amenhotep, Tiye, Akhenaton and
Nefertiti. There are problems pinpointing the actual date of her reign
with the following all being possible: 1504-1482, 1488-1468, 1479-1457,
and 1473-1458 B.C
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Posted: 28-Oct-2009 at 18:49 |
Belisarius wrote; ""It is easier to talk than to hold one's tongue."
And, Belisarius, you should have written just what you preached? That is "nothing!"
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Posted: 24-Feb-2009 at 16:49 |
Originally posted by Belisarius
Intriguing... I always thought that Maatkare Hapshepsut, believed to
have ruled 1503 BCE - 1483 BCE, was the first female ruler not only of
Egypt but any country.
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Sumeria had one a millenia earlier than that, according to the king lists (name of Kubaba). About 400 years before Neithikret too.
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Posted: 24-Feb-2009 at 07:25 |
Originally posted by Maharbbal
Cleopatra II and III were as well "tough cookies" as Dawn put it.
CII was first the wife of her brother Ptolemee VI and then the wife of her husband murderer who was her other brother Ptolemee VIII (who had murder her first born son PVII). CIII was the daughter of CII and PVI but then became the wife of PVIII (still married to her mother of course other wise it wouldn't be funny). At one point CII got upset with this situation and fired CIII and PVIII. But, too confident, she sent them her son P. Memphite who was killed by his own rebellious father and half-sister, chop off in piece and mailed back to his mother in twelve packages. But hey, they were still A FAMILLY (and that is what matters whatever happens) so the all three of them decided to rule again jointly. End of the story.
Those were completely wicked, but the women were powerful allright.
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My gosh this is simply awful! One feels tempted to make a case for a Gibbonian explanation for the decline of the Ptolemies based purely on this example.
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Posted: 29-May-2006 at 19:55 |
Originally posted by Belisarius
Was Nefertiti actually the pharoah? Or did she just wield substantial power as the pharoah's wife?
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According to Wikipedia, "During Akhenaten's reign (and perhaps after) Nefertiti enjoyed unprecedented power, and was perhaps the most powerful woman on earth. Some time during the reign she was made co-regent: the pharaoh's equal. She was depicted on temple walls the same size as the king, signifying her importance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nefertiti
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Posted: 29-May-2006 at 12:57 |
Cleopatra II and III were as well "tough cookies" as Dawn put it.
CII was first the wife of her brother Ptolemee VI and then the wife of her husband murderer who was her other brother Ptolemee VIII (who had murder her first born son PVII). CIII was the daughter of CII and PVI but then became the wife of PVIII (still married to her mother of course other wise it wouldn't be funny). At one point CII got upset with this situation and fired CIII and PVIII. But, too confident, she sent them her son P. Memphite who was killed by his own rebellious father and half-sister, chop off in piece and mailed back to his mother in twelve packages. But hey, they were still A FAMILLY (and that is what matters whatever happens) so the all three of them decided to rule again jointly. End of the story.
Those were completely wicked, but the women were powerful allright.
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Posted: 29-May-2006 at 12:09 |
Was Nefertiti actually the pharoah? Or did she just wield substantial power as the pharoah's wife?
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Posted: 28-May-2006 at 23:44 |
Originally posted by Sparten
BTW any news on whether that new mummy they found was Nefertiti? That Scottish Egyptologist was pretty confident.
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Last I heard, the mummy found was possibly that of a man. I don't believe there is anything conclusive yet, but I'll do some research and see what I can find.
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Posted: 28-May-2006 at 01:19 |
BTW any news on whether that new mummy they found was Nefertiti? That Scottish Egyptologist was pretty confident.
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 23:04 |
.....more on female pharaohs:
Egypts next female Pharaoh was Hatshepsut. She ruled for fifteen years between c. 1473 -1458 B.C. During her reign, she commenced the project of building her funerary temple at Deir el-Bahari.
Egypts next female Pharaoh was Nefertiti. She was very much involved in her husband Akhenatens restructuring policies and ruled independently as king upon her husbands death
Nefertiti
Egypts next female Pharaoh was Tawosret, who took the throne upon the death of her husband , Seti II, in 1194 B.C. She was responsible for a number of expeditions to the Sinai and Palestine.
The last of Egypts female Pharaohs was Cleopatra VII. When Cleopatra ascended the Egyptian throne, she was only seventeen. She reigned as Queen Philopator and Pharaoh between 51 and 30 BC, and died at the age of 39. She is the most popular of all the female pharaohs.
Portrait of Cleopatra VII, Graeco-Roman Museum, Alexandria
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 14:23 |
The thing about women is that they don't have to be the titular ruler of a nation to hold the actual power.
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Posted: 27-May-2006 at 11:40 |
Hmmm 3 femalerulers in 3 thousand years, not exactly a prototype for "emancipation".
Any thintg on those who held actual power behind the throne, you know, Nefartiti and the like.
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Posted: 26-May-2006 at 21:55 |
The Ptolemaids were both pharaohs and basileus fore they were ruling a country with an Egyptian population and a Greek elite.
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Posted: 26-May-2006 at 16:57 |
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"The Ptolemies were of Macedonian descent, yet they ruled Egypt as Egyptians - as Pharaohs. And, indeed, Cleopatra was the last Pharaoh."
However, she was referred to as the "Queen of the Nile".
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Posted: 26-May-2006 at 16:36 |
is Cleopatra considered a pharaoh or a queen tributary to Rome?
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Posted: 26-May-2006 at 16:17 |
Originally posted by Belisarius
Intriguing... I always thought that Maatkare Hapshepsut, believed to
have ruled 1503 BCE - 1483 BCE, was the first female ruler not only of
Egypt but any country.
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I thought the same, Belisarius. However, in researching female pharaohs, I found said info. I too was intrigued!
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