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Temujin
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Topic: 2 maps regarding wealth and unemployment in the EU Posted: 13-Nov-2004 at 16:12 |
I thoguth you might find the maps itneresting. soem countries like Germany and Italy are very unbalanced, in the case of Germany it's due to the unification that apparently only afected borders, not the situation of the common people in eastern germany...
Wealth in Europe
red = fewer than 50 percent green = 125 and beyond
the gross domestic product GDP (i think, i've unfortunately forgotten what BIP means in English) per capita in 2001.
unemployment in Europe
light red = fewer than 4,75 percent dark red = 13,45 and beyond
unemployment rate in 2002.
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Posted: 13-Nov-2004 at 17:31 |
Frankreich, lol
Just as suspected, Italy is sectionally divided.
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Posted: 13-Nov-2004 at 21:11 |
Well, at least unemployment has gotten less in Bulgaria ever since more companies decided to open offices there. If you are a programmer fresh out of college, you automatically get a job...
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Posted: 13-Nov-2004 at 22:21 |
Why is there so much unemployment in Southern Spain?
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Posted: 14-Nov-2004 at 06:44 |
Its all seasonal labour down there, tourism and fruit picking.
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Posted: 20-Nov-2004 at 06:16 |
Polen is exactly same with Turkiye...i think the Polish accession has close ties with German-Polish reconcililation.
Temüjin,your area appears in highly-well wealth and at an acceptable unemployment rate.i am happy for you,pal.
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Posted: 20-Nov-2004 at 14:16 |
yes, my state is fortunately the richest of the whole country
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Posted: 20-Nov-2004 at 19:28 |
Ireland and its succes is the greatest mystery for me. I was in Ireland 4 times. (i love this country and surelly i wil come back there). I saw areas where electricity was provided for monay from EU funds about 15 years ago. While the whole Poland had every house with eletricity about year 1955. So Ireland was backward compared to central Europe for about 30 years and now it is one of the wealthiest states and one with the lowest uneplyoment rate.
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Posted: 20-Nov-2004 at 19:37 |
The fact that Half of Ireland lives in Dublin probably helped too, statistics wise.
The last village in wales to be connected to electricity was about 2-3 years ago, so we're officaly a developed country
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Posted: 20-Nov-2004 at 20:29 |
I have a question for you all. Do you think that in the long run the EU could begin to shrink in economic power if radical Greens come into important positions. I could definitely see that happening in some countries like Germany, and it's pretty bad for the economy when factories are given unrealistic pollution requirements and new buildings are not allowed to built. I was just ruminating on this subject earlier today and would be interested to hear your thoughts.
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Posted: 20-Nov-2004 at 23:41 |
Its doubtfull that they'd get more power than they have now.
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Posted: 20-Nov-2004 at 23:52 |
Why is unemployment and poverty in Poland that bad? i knew it was a problem but didnt know it was to that kind of scale.
The Irish success is also a surprise to me, what is it mainly due to and how recent is it?
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Posted: 21-Nov-2004 at 00:04 |
For the so-called Celtic Tiger, its a matter of on the one hand, having
lagged behind most of Western Europe somewhat in the past.
Before the boom began in the late 1980s, it had some of the lowest
labour costs in Western Europe, which attracted many would be
investors, plus the low coperate tax was a help too, as did subsidies.
A young and well educated workforce that spoke English was also a huge
boost for America firms looking for somewhere in Europe to set up
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Its mostly the last 2 decades.
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Posted: 21-Nov-2004 at 00:44 |
I see, thanks
I wonder does this mean the gap between the rich and poor is widening in Ireland? what i mean is that is this a reflection of the amount of wealth in the cities? When i went to Ireland about 5 years ago some rural areas seemed to be quite backward (i dont really like this term as i really enjoyed the more rustic places, but i cant think of another term atm ), and since their prosperity seems to be due to outside investors does this mean that the rich are getting richer and the poor are still not well off? sorry if im way off base here, i could be reading it totally wrong.
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Posted: 21-Nov-2004 at 14:31 |
In short, there have been many criticism about the way this boom peroid has been managed, and about its side effects.
Yes, the wealth gap has increased (its inevitable what when a country
gets rich quick, many are left behind), crime has increased, roads are
overcrowded as new wealth brought more cars, but no more roads, crucial
services have been neglected, and so on.
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Posted: 21-Nov-2004 at 16:49 |
I've heard that the post-secondary education is free in Ireland, and that has contributed a lot to their economic explosion. Is this true? And if it is, why haven't all countries realized this and begin funding their post-secondary educational systems more? Or even the secondary schools (in some cases)?
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Posted: 21-Nov-2004 at 17:03 |
Its true that Ireland's educated workforce played an important role
(according to analysts anyways, would make sense as Irelands economic
boom was focused in a large part on the service sector, and high-tech
industry).
As for the status of education there, i don't know.
But yes, the empthasis on education is often overlooked, especialy with
the likes of the World Bank/IMF, who often advise countries to cut back
on education spending in order to help save money to pay off debts.
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Posted: 21-Nov-2004 at 17:56 |
Originally posted by Genghis
I have a question for you all. Do you think that
in the long run the EU could begin to shrink in economic power if
radical Greens come into important positions. I could definitely
see that happening in some countries like Germany, and it's pretty bad
for the economy when factories are given unrealistic pollution
requirements and new buildings are not allowed to built. I was
just ruminating on this subject earlier today and would be interested
to hear your thoughts. |
Most Greens in Europe seem to move to a more liberal (in Europe that means capitalist) position.
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Posted: 21-Nov-2004 at 19:04 |
Originally posted by Mr Bobo
Why is unemployment and poverty in Poland that bad? i knew it was a problem but didnt know it was to that kind of scale. |
Well, the answer is quite simple- 50 years of communism. For all that time there was no unemployment (or rather was hidden unemployment, people had jobs even if their work didnt bring any profits to their companies). In 1989 the system has changed from communism (or socialism) to capitalism and in short time half of the industries were closed, all their worker's lost jobs. Today in Poland is the highest unemployment rate in the whole EU, right now about 17%. There are some areas where unemployment is low (about 5-8%) but there are also such where it is about 30%. Especially in such cities like Lodz where during communism were only industries which all have buncrupted. While the young and educated people usually dont have much problems to find good jobs, noone has any idea what to do with those in age 40-50 who spent most of their lifes in the communist state owned companies. Their skills are belowe the requirements of the employers. I remember that when i was looking for secretary i recived about 200 offers but found only 10% of them fullfilling my requirements. From them all only 1 was good for me because the other wanted to earn much more monay than i was ready to pay. Between those which i rejected were also ladies who worked as secretaries in the state owned companies in the past and all what they could do was making cofee. Affcourse for people who gives jobs such situation isint bad because we can lower our costs by paying less and we can demand them to work longer and harder.
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Posted: 22-Nov-2004 at 00:42 |
Thanks for that mosquito,
Is the current polish government pro-active about this sort of thing, like education for the unskilled/older workers if thats feasible? The point dragon made about free post-secondary education would be an interesting concept here too, i guess the money needs to be there to implement it and sustain it in the first place though.
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