Anti-Semitism still in the West?

Do you mean that there is people that specifically dislike Jews and not Africans, Hispanics, Arabs or Chinese... to put some examples. I'd say that racist people are generally indiscriminately racist.

..absolutely. and to illustrate it  all you have to do is resaerch it.

the fact is that there's no such terms. In my vernacular language either: they are all refered as "racism". Sometimes a phraseis used, i.e. "prejudice against Gypsies" but there's no "anti-Gypsism" or any equivalent.

...again you escape or ignore the obvious.... for the very use of the prefix 'anti' means a prejudical response or reaction....or dis-like.

"Anti-American" is a US-coined phrase and it's not a form of racism, rather it means someone that is against US-policies. We don't use the term "anti-American"... unless there's a Gringo who introduces it.

It does not matter who the originator of the term was.... it's use and effect remains unchallenged...and is not simply a identifier of disagreement with a nation states foreign policies or affairs...ask the French about americans.

 Do you mean that you cannot compare Jews with other minorities? Why?

...certainly you can....but YOU cannot use the word WE  effectively because in the context of the statement it infers I agree with YOUR position.

I never use the USA as reference (Europe instead). Still, even in the USA, there are Jewish neighbourhoods, while you don't find German or Scottish neighbourhoods.

...my point exactly.... thru obsfucation and generalization you attempt localise and minimalize the position while strengthening your debate point...and old technique and one that might fool the weak or inexperienced of mind or life...I am neither..... As for example there are German and Czek neighboor hoods and Italians and Asians etc. etc....in Europe and America. This from a national perspective does not make them 'less' American....French...Spanish...Polish etc.

When I said that they tried to remain as separate community, I'm not saying any nonsense. Else, they would have probably converted to the mainstream religion - as others (including many Jews) did.

...ridiculous statement and assumption as their was either no need....desire or requirement to convert to anything unless one is forced to make a literal life vs. death choice or when one's culture is being eradicated by genocidal maniacs.

Even the founder of Zionism thoght for some time that converting to Christianity would solve the issue of discrimination against Hebrews.

if you refer to Theodore Herzl and the publication of 'The Jewish state' or Der Judenstaat...this might be an interpretation but a slim, specious and not very convincing one, as Herzl was well aware of the nearly 2000 year long persecution of the Jewish people by Christainity....and the intensity to which the same people WILL NOT compromise the isssue of their faith as a mechanism of survival....as the countless no doubt millions killed prior to 1939-1945....and the 6million killed... later.... testify to.

   Again you see only a local epysode.

Not a local or single episode but literally multiplicy and contiuance ad infinte ...the records are clear.........crusades were ostensibly.... for example... launched against Islam.... with the end result that Jews and Arabs were murdered and raped and suffered enslavement or property loss indiscriminately.

 The fact that Jews had arrived to the 19th century as a separate ethnicity and religion, while Pagans instead were persecuted fiercely.

....This is equally true but not material imo to the issue or topic at hand other then thru comparitive analysis... as most pagans would eventuly...at least in Europe......become Christains.

If Jews would have ben worshippers of Shiva there would have been no Jew in Europe in the 19th century.

...That should neither be suprising nor an attempt to obsfucate the issue at hand .....anti-semitism in Europe..... the preponderance of peoples living in europe were neither Hinduistic nor Buddahistic in religious persuasion or Taoist for that matter...and while I am at it... nor were there a great mass of confucinists. Jews were Jews. An attempt on your part to rewrite history into what 'may have beens' is no defense to what was.

Though they may have sychretized with Christianity, as the Roma did (they still call the cross "trident"!)

...prejudical hyperbole and not worthy of comment

This doesn't mean that there were no persecutions but that, among religious minorities they had a special favorable status - else there would just be no Jews in either Christian or Muslim areas at all.

....for once in your entire presentation and defense we can agree in part but not in toto....as  both religions you state.... accepted in their own... the prescence and importance of Judaism and in both cases incorporated it into their own..... in parts and places...with Islam actually...intialy being the more tolerant of the two.....unfortunately you continue to underscore and nearly irrevelentise the fact that centuries of persecutions /genocides occured...and as 'we' (native Texans) say around here..."that dog don't hunt and sh*t still smells like sh*t even when you cover it with perfume"

I don't say there wasn't a genocide. Just that I think that when this is waved in the context of Palestine - it just makes no sense.

....then either you are either a pro-extremist Arab supporter which is synomous with anti-semite....blatantly in  psyco denial.... or haven't completed a thorough enough analysis of the historical context behind the current ongoing issues in the region.

What I mean is that Christianity and Islam are Judaist proselitist sects and therefore they have a privileged position for their parent religion: Judaism.

...that is neither what you intialy wrote nor do I believe you really intend to write now....no...I believe your intial comment revealed your true thoughts. This second issue comment.... is an obsfucation.... imo ....to avoid accepting responsibility for the callowness of the initial remark.

You may be tolerant now that you have been driven off the center of social reality but two centuries ago, you were not so tolerant.

...ridiculous and illogical statement.... as YOU can neither know what I would have done 2 minutes ago let alone 2 thousand years....ie.speculation and distortion....obsfucation.

As member of a group (non-Christians, non-Muslims and non-Jews) that has been severely persecuted for at least 1400 years, I think that Jews have been relatively privileged: they have only been persecuted now and then - not all the time as it happened to us.

...ridiculous and a patent lie.....you are either morally incapable of accepting the obvious truth or you suffer from some form of mental illness/or idealogue fanaticism andI suggest you seek treatment for. I don't deny the historical persecution of pagans it's you who minimalize the historuical persecution of the Jews.

This is not Jews' fault: it's Christians' and Muslims' fault actually.

.....In this you are essentialy correct but not necessiarily from soley a religious functioning basis alone...but as a result...imo...of naescent nationalism which emerged in its historical context ...time and geo-physical regions on the planet.

That's why I reject the very concept of anti-Semitism: it's just a catchall term to insult those people that have critic thought.

...IMO in your case.... it's not critic thought...its expression of anti-semitism that has been historicaly exhibited  by millions who share your viewpoint.

Why is it that you can only use the therm Jew or Hebrew in black and white: you either must be 100% pro-Israel and pro-Abraham and pro-JewsihLobby or 100% anti-Semitic. That's obviously not that way.

....ridiculous...i use the terms interchangeably and this neither demonstrates,confirms or denys, any particular position of either religious or political, or national support.........for Jews as an ethnic group...Israel as a nation state, or Arabs and Syria in the same context....

My final comment and advice to you is pray to your pagan dietys for self-awareness...an enlightened and not prejudical spirt and for guidence in accepting  a more tolerant viewpoint.

You right. Israel has the right to exist. arabians took all middle east. Persia will one day help you.

I defend Israel on this forum all the time and lately it seems that I am one of the only ones. 

@Ponce de Leon - Actually, Mullah Ganstar is correct, I think Iran/Persia may someday be an ally of Israel (if Iran experiences a regime change which is an eventual possibility I think, perhaps Zoroastrianism will return to Persia/Iran as well).  He is also right when he states that Israel has a right to exist.  It is good to see another member show support for Israel.

You wrong. arabs took over the whole middle east. Palestinians can live in Jordan, in Liban, in Iraq or in Syria... Why they don't emigrate in those countries: afterall They are arab. so what is the problem?

Look at this empire, that's so huge.

                                     this topic is closed

sorry , only a joke.another example for half-chocked ,infantile blabber at this forum.

sorry to use this terms. but who of you all has  visited a concentration camp, has seen a train ,where people were caged like cattle. who of you lost parts of your family ,cause they had the wong belief?

if there are some ,why you don't all shout out to stop this painful discussion.

every kind of prosecution , oprresion and extermination started with a rumour, a whisper, enviousness that someone used for his aims and makes a sureness out of a rumour.

if have to use these words ,cause to many of us try to stop these madness. i will compete against all kinds of racism , intollerance wheter it comes from the muslims,jews or catholics or bach-flower supporters.

every single individum on this planet has he right to exist , beside it doesn't accept this base of human cohabitation.

so - no death to israel (and  its neighbors) -and no death to maju ,lets try to show both the right way of peacefull coexistance.