Anti-Semitism still in the West?

Actually these questions are tricky.

...yes that might be an observation....but then went aren't poll questions designed to elicate a response...sometimes favorably to the poller.

And definitively, most Jews, talk too much about the Holocaust, ignoring the many non-Jews that were also massacred and (what makes it specially pathetic) they use it as argument to defend the aberration of Israel.

....I disagree as most Jewish people I associate with are well aware of the other minorities who were murdered and mourn keenly....I would counter that your point is a sterotypical and inflammatorly counter to the victims (Jewish) themselves.

I really don't understand the obsession with the concept anti-Semitism (understood as anti-Hebraism).

.....One can not unless one suffers the prejudice/genocide associated with the same.

I have never heard the equivalent term "anti-Romaism" or "anti-Gypsism".

Then obviously you are neither paying attention to the vernacular vogue or you are ignoring it..as the term: anti-american, for example, is in vogue throughout the world and thats just one example of language use citing an opposition to anything....people , places, things, or events.

 As always, when we compare Jews with other simmilar minorities like the Roma, Jews are obviously much more favored in every sense: they even have a special term for the possible xenophobia felt for their particular ethnicity.

...personal rhetoric......as I for example can not be part of your 'we'.

I think that, considering their interest in remaining a separated community,

...rhetoric and false..... Jewish ethnic and heritage based people in America for example are just that...Americans ....and they are neither seperated nor segregated in any major fashion other then certain extremely conservative religious elements within the body politic...which is their perogative...under the US Constitution.

  In fact their genetic relation to Christianity rather protected them.

 .....Not true as well.... until the later stages of the 19th/20th century... and then only slightly as the nation of Germany for example prior to the Nazi's was a 'christain' nation in theory, thought and practice. European and in particular Russian pogroms were legendary and these ostensibly were 'christain' nations.  The murder...rapine and loss of property has been ongoing for centuries.

I do think that there's an attitude of victimization by some Jewish circles/peoples and also by some non-Jewish. I don't think this is fully justified, despite the Holocaust

 ....this is pure rhetoric and not an attempt to rationaly understand the issue..GENOCIDE was perpetrated against them....what more reason does one need...or ask the ghosts of dead Cambodians if you cant accept the comparision with the Jews of Europe.

and I can only understand it because of the brainwashing influence of Christianity, which is after all a Judaist sect.

....a thoughtless and tasteless comment....as I am a Christain and neither have been brainwashed nor attempt to ridicule/insult any other spiritual associations a person might profess belief in.

I still don't think that I am anti-Hebrew.

...I do....better to just admit and defend your position then attempt obsfucation.

I am anti-Abrahamanic instead: I do think that the Abrahamanic religions that root in Judaism are an aberration and should be replaced by something more perfect, less Patriarchal and less greedy. We need a spirituality that is with Nature, not against it.

....This would of course include one of the other of the world's great religions as well...ie. Islam.  there is no perfection possible within religion to include nature worship as a result of the natural violence of the same and the violence of religion's daughter...nationalism..so wish all you like and then return to live in reality.

...Neither do I particularily as the use of term ....especially in terms of the 20th/21th century.... is more oftened then not beeen used by radical elements associated with terroist groups/genocidal maniacs who have politcal agendas more so then religious idealogical conflicts..although their obviously there as well.

There's a pattern I've noticed in Bosnia and Herzegovina that I think might be having an impact elsewhere as well. There are two main branches of Judaism in Bosnia and Herzegovina, which are very distinct and very separate.

The first is Sefardic Judaism, immigrants from Portugal and Spain who arrived here half a millenium ago. The second is Ashkenazi Judaism, German-speaking Jews who arrived during the Austro-Hungarian occupation. Now during the holocaust, virtually all Ashkenazi Jews were handed over to their deaths. Sefardic Jews survived in large numbers, usually by hiding a Muslims - servants, wives, daughters, in Muslim homes whose people knew very well the individuals were Jews.

...excellent and observent synopsis.

From this it's safe to say that in Bosnia people didn't care for Ashkenazi Jews but felt some affection for Sephards. The reason, I think, is simple:

Sefards did not segregate themselves from the rest of society, nor were they segregated onto themselves by the society itself. They lived mixed among the people, intermarriage was common, they spoke the Bosnian language in addition to their native Ladino, and so on. The Ashkenazi, on the other hand, segregated themselves or were segregated by society, both most likely. They generally spoke only German and had very little interaction with anyone other the Austrian authorities.

...again an excellent historicaly correct and reliable observation with my only comment being that persecution of the Ashkenazi was a major motivating factor in their isolationism.....

A lack of knowledge almost always generates fear and from that hatred can grow very easily in certain situations.

.....touche'

What do you all think?

.... I think you have displayed a remarkable understanding and demonstration to examine the issue from as un-biased and prejudical viewpoint as possible given your own unique life experience.........Well done.

.....One can not unless one suffers the prejudice/genocide associated with the same.

I have never heard the equivalent term "anti-Romaism" or "anti-Gypsism".

Then obviously you are neither paying attention to the vernacular vogue or you are ignoring it..as the term: anti-american, for example, is in vogue throughout the world and thats just one example of language use citing an opposition to anything....people , places, things, or events.

 As always, when we compare Jews with other simmilar minorities like the Roma, Jews are obviously much more favored in every sense: they even have a special term for the possible xenophobia felt for their particular ethnicity.

...personal rhetoric......as I for example can not be part of your 'we'.

...rhetoric and false..... Jewish ethnic and heritage based people in America for example are just that...Americans ....and they are neither seperated nor segregated in any major fashion other then certain extremely conservative religious elements within the body politic...which is their perogative...under the US Constitution.

  In fact their genetic relation to Christianity rather protected them.

 .....Not true as well.... until the later stages of the 19th/20th century... and then only slightly as the nation of Germany for example prior to the Nazi's was a 'christain' nation in theory, thought and practice. European and in particular Russian pogroms were legendary and these ostensibly were 'christain' nations.  The murder...rapine and loss of property has been ongoing for centuries.

 ....this is pure rhetoric and not an attempt to rationaly understand the issue..GENOCIDE was perpetrated against them....what more reason does one need...or ask the ghosts of dead Cambodians if you cant accept the comparision with the Jews of Europe.

....a thoughtless and tasteless comment....as I am a Christain and neither have been brainwashed nor attempt to ridicule/insult any other spiritual associations a person might profess belief in.

I still don't think that I am anti-Hebrew.

...I do....better to just admit and defend your position then attempt obsfucation.