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    Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 11:11

mullah ganstar, israel is no ones friend. not even the friend of the USA.

they spy on the USA, steal US weapons designes, pass on US technology to other countries etc...

israel is not a trust worthy country.

israel is doing to the palestinians today what hitler and the apartheid government in South Africa did to their own people.

israel will never be anyones friends, and frankly, iran doesnt need israel as an ally, no today, and not in the future.

the fact is that israel is the aggressor and has always been the aggressor, and until israel wants peace, there will be war. its israel's choice, either give the palestinians equality, or keep fighting.



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Originally posted by Super Goat (^_^)

Originally posted by ponce

Israel is setting up all these security measures and they are working. Even though they create hardships for the palestinians, even though it is unsettling for communities, it is still a better option than having suicide bombers coming at you almost every second. These "barriers" the Isrealies set up have reduced the number of suicide bombers greatly.

lol, suicide bombers are a result of Isreali policies.

40 years of military occupation, land theft, settlement construction, taxation without representation, ethnic cleansing(until they realized they could make money off of them), and an obiminable refugee camp- life.

Prior to the first Intifada, there was no violence on the part of the palestinians. From 1967-1987, 20 years of occupation and no militaristic resistance- not even throwing stones. Just peacful demonstrations, boycutting, and maybe occasional fist fights with soldiers. Yet occupation persisted, checkpoints existed as well, and no world condemnation of Israel.
Originally posted by ponce

But it is much more complicated down in Israel. We are talking about human lives at stake.

The israeli-palestinian issue is probably one of the simplest conflicts to comprehend. What's so complicated about taking away someone elses land, and the other side fighting back?

Originally posted by mila

It's an endless cycle of darkness and hatred and for anyone to commit themselves to either side of it is, I think, lunacy.

A cycle indeed, one which "isrealis" started.

Originally posted by AK

the reason Israel has these policies you speak of is because of the policies of its arab neighbors (wanting to destroy Israel, though they are constantly defeated each time they try)

Policies of arab neighbors?! hmmm lets see, Egypt signed a treaty in 1979, Jordan in 1996, the only one left is Syria, which stated that it'd agree to permament peace if israel return the Golan heights, which Israel refuses to do.
As for other neighboring Arab countries, the Arab League agreed to officially recognize Israel by All arab nations if it returns to 1967 borders, which again, Isarel refuses to do. Not to mention many arab nations probably even trade with israel in secret.

Because of neighboring arab nations? I THINK NOT!

and the palestinians (suicide bombers blowing up themselves and innocent Isreali civilians).

Again, maybe you should look at the chronological list of events, and figure out exactly who's policies are at fault. As for "innocent isreali civilians," if they don't want to get blown up, maybe they should go back to russia or the USA, or wherever they came from.

You wrong. arabs took over the whole middle east. Palestinians can live in Jordan, in Liban, in Iraq or in Syria... Why they don't emigrate in those countries: afterall They are arab. so what is the problem?

I suppose you're one of those that think all the arabs of today are from arabia. interesting logic you got there. LOL Anyways, if you love Israelis so much, why don't you take them in the US? Im sure there's more than enough land in the midwest or perhaps CA to accommodate 4 million Jews?

Thats absurd. Why should the palestinians give up their land for those that have been persecuted by the west? Why didn't the US accept those immigrants? The creation of israel did nothing but harm palestinians, and Jews as well, considering there were no Anti-Jewish sentiments in the middle east prior to the flooding of nationlist-faschist immigrants to palestine.
 

Couldn't agree more.


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Originally posted by Super Goat (^_^)


You wrong. arabs took over the whole middle east. Palestinians can live in Jordan, in Liban, in Iraq or in Syria... Why they don't emigrate in those countries: afterall They are arab. so what is the problem?

I suppose you're one of those that think all the arabs of today are from arabia. interesting logic you got there. LOL Anyways, if you love Israelis so much, why don't you take them in the US? Im sure there's more than enough land in the midwest or perhaps CA to accommodate 4 million Jews?

Thats absurd. Why should the palestinians give up their land for those that have been persecuted by the west? Why didn't the US accept those immigrants? The creation of israel did nothing but harm palestinians, and Jews as well, considering there were no Anti-Jewish sentiments in the middle east prior to the flooding of nationlist-faschist immigrants to palestine.

Israel is nothing but a foul infestation which will be wiped off the mapAngry

Hey reading ur post one thing is for sure: you  think and writte such as a Goat. You super dumb ass
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U are a trator.

WTF are you talking about. You baby, with your playstation game's username. Israel is the unic allied of Iranians against the arabian  occupation in Middle east . You don t know about what u are talking about. Jews respect Iran and khnow who we are. after the arabian invasion they saved our traditional music and instrument. go play playstation with little child and stop posting. you morron.

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Yet, I'd rather discuss anti-Arabism in the case of Israel and anti-Indianism anti-Blackism and anti-Mexicanism in the case of the USA.
...I would too but not with a bigot.
Sadly, I don't own the CNN/CBS/BBC/Hollywood and can't flush those terms and the propaganda attached to them into the common speech.

....that is neither germaine nor appropriate.


The fact that there are Yaveh-worshippers

..you could at least do the courtsey of spelling the name correctly.


The fact that Jews have reached the 20th century in Europe as a non-assimilated group is just a reflex of the relative tolerance and protection that this group enjoyed, when compared with other less fortunate ethnic and religious minorities.

...redundacy and rhetoric do not become your defense but merely highlights the illogical and emotionalism of a bigoted viewpoint.

I don't deny the persecution of Jews, what I mean is to relativize it.

...the attempt to relativise any act of GENOCIDE is to maintain a position of support for it....hence imo YOU support genocide.


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You seem a Zionist and Imperialist with an agenda, trying to make everybody feel guilty... because Chamberlain and Roosevelt tolerated and favored Hitler.

...this is so funny.......i have to breathe before I respond.........ah back now.... and I am neither of the two nouns u would ascribe to me.....but what I am .......is a figther against genocidal bigots.....no matter the politics or religion of those persecuted in question.

Well, sorry. I wouldn't have tolerated any of those fascists for a single second.

...fascism in its most corrupted sense is exactily what you are espousing.

 Israel is racist. Death to Israel!

The bigoted and prejudical nature of your position against those of the jewish faith ...... individualy, internationaly, nationaly and in the state of Israel need no assistence from me to be any clearly stated.

 



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Originally posted by ponce

Israel is setting up all these security measures and they are working. Even though they create hardships for the palestinians, even though it is unsettling for communities, it is still a better option than having suicide bombers coming at you almost every second. These "barriers" the Isrealies set up have reduced the number of suicide bombers greatly.

lol, suicide bombers are a result of Isreali policies.

40 years of military occupation, land theft, settlement construction, taxation without representation, ethnic cleansing(until they realized they could make money off of them), and an obiminable refugee camp- life.

Prior to the first Intifada, there was no violence on the part of the palestinians. From 1967-1987, 20 years of occupation and no militaristic resistance- not even throwing stones. Just peacful demonstrations, boycutting, and maybe occasional fist fights with soldiers. Yet occupation persisted, checkpoints existed as well, and no world condemnation of Israel.


Originally posted by ponce

But it is much more complicated down in Israel. We are talking about human lives at stake.

The israeli-palestinian issue is probably one of the simplest conflicts to comprehend. What's so complicated about taking away someone elses land, and the other side fighting back?

Originally posted by mila

It's an endless cycle of darkness and hatred and for anyone to commit themselves to either side of it is, I think, lunacy.

A cycle indeed, one which "isrealis" started.

Originally posted by AK

the reason Israel has these policies you speak of is because of the policies of its arab neighbors (wanting to destroy Israel, though they are constantly defeated each time they try)

Policies of arab neighbors?! hmmm lets see, Egypt signed a treaty in 1979, Jordan in 1996, the only one left is Syria, which stated that it'd agree to permament peace if israel return the Golan heights, which Israel refuses to do.
As for other neighboring Arab countries, the Arab League agreed to officially recognize Israel by All arab nations if it returns to 1967 borders, which again, Isarel refuses to do. Not to mention many arab nations probably even trade with israel in secret.

Because of neighboring arab nations? I THINK NOT!

and the palestinians (suicide bombers blowing up themselves and innocent Isreali civilians).

Again, maybe you should look at the chronological list of events, and figure out exactly who's policies are at fault. As for "innocent isreali civilians," if they don't want to get blown up, maybe they should go back to russia or the USA, or wherever they came from.

You wrong. arabs took over the whole middle east. Palestinians can live in Jordan, in Liban, in Iraq or in Syria... Why they don't emigrate in those countries: afterall They are arab. so what is the problem?

I suppose you're one of those that think all the arabs of today are from arabia. interesting logic you got there. LOL Anyways, if you love Israelis so much, why don't you take them in the US? Im sure there's more than enough land in the midwest or perhaps CA to accommodate 4 million Jews?

Thats absurd. Why should the palestinians give up their land for those that have been persecuted by the west? Why didn't the US accept those immigrants? The creation of israel did nothing but harm palestinians, and Jews as well, considering there were no Anti-Jewish sentiments in the middle east prior to the flooding of nationlist-faschist immigrants to palestine.

Israel is nothing but a foul infestation which will be wiped off the mapAngry
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this painful discussion will give us a wider angle to view our situation and have better PERSONAL conclusion, the least. I don't think we should just lock the window to the thousands of years of oppression and killing just because they are too painful. we have face them, and read them, not ban them! If today you can go to concentration camps, see the pictures, imagining those events is because we have to SEE what happened and why it happened, instead of forgeting it and not talking about it. now should we all stop talking because of the fear for another possible oppression?
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sorry , only a joke.another example for half-chocked ,infantile blabber at this forum.

sorry to use this terms. but who of you all has  visited a concentration camp, has seen a train ,where people were caged like cattle. who of you lost parts of your family ,cause they had the wong belief?

if there are some ,why you don't all shout out to stop this painful discussion.

every kind of prosecution , oprresion and extermination started with a rumour, a whisper, enviousness that someone used for his aims and makes a sureness out of a rumour.

if have to use these words ,cause to many of us try to stop these madness. i will compete against all kinds of racism , intollerance wheter it comes from the muslims,jews or catholics or bach-flower supporters.

every single individum on this planet has he right to exist , beside it doesn't accept this base of human cohabitation.

so - no death to israel (and  its neighbors) -and no death to maju ,lets try to show both the right way of peacefull coexistance.



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Originally posted by Komnenos

Originally posted by Maju

Well, sorry. I wouldn't have tolerated any of those fascists for a single second. That way I would not just save 6 million Jews, but I would also have saved many millions or other Europeans and would have kept Palestine in the hands of Palestinians - no matter their faith. Israel is racist. Death to Israel!
Unfortunaly there seems nobody on this forum to defend Israel and its people against nasty fascistoid verbal attacks like this.
Could you imagine the outcry when somebody advocated the destruction of Turkey, Greece or any other country with a lobby here.
So I assume it is okay to bash countries like Greece or Turkey since they have enough members here to defend themselves?

Also I wanted to give an alternative point of view.
Russians and USSR, Germans and Nazis, Iranians and Mullahs, Afghans and Taliban, Cambodians and Khmers, Jews and Israel DO NOT always stand side by side. When somebody is criticizing a country, he is not neccessarily lowering its people.

How is it possible to criticize and call names for ideologies like Nazism, Communism, etc etc, but not to use the same phrases for Zionism?

I was just wondering, why is that the case of Israel so sensitive that even debating over it leads to an dead-end.

One morething, let's look at a bigger picture. Let's not just read the words and draw conclusions, words have interprations and that's what was important specifically in this case.
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I defend Israel on this forum all the time and lately it seems that I am one of the only ones. 

@Ponce de Leon - Actually, Mullah Ganstar is correct, I think Iran/Persia may someday be an ally of Israel (if Iran experiences a regime change which is an eventual possibility I think, perhaps Zoroastrianism will return to Persia/Iran as well).  He is also right when he states that Israel has a right to exist.  It is good to see another member show support for Israel.

hope USA invades Iran as soon as possible....
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You wrong. arabs took over the whole middle east. Palestinians can live in Jordan, in Liban, in Iraq or in Syria... Why they don't emigrate in those countries: afterall They are arab. so what is the problem?

Look at this empire, that's so huge.

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Then by choosing a side you've cornered yourself. If the Arab reaction to the establishment of Israel is a justification for Israel's policies, then the process that established Israel - to the detriment of those already living on the territory - is justification for the Arab reaction.

If you're willing to support anyone's crimes, you must support them all. Anything less is racism, prejudice, etc.
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Mila, the reason Israel has these policies you speak of is because of the policies of its arab neighbors (wanting to destroy Israel, though they are constantly defeated each time they try) and the palestinians (suicide bombers blowing up themselves and innocent Isreali civilians).  Israel must do what it must do to survive, therefore, there is nothing wrong with its policies that assist in this goal.
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I imagine a lot of the people who support Israel in such a way, AK47, would do so if it was a completely uninhabited nature preserve. It has more to do with being anti-Islam, or anti-Arab, or anti-anything than being pro-Israeli.

There is no way that any person could logically support either Israeli or Palestinian policies without supporting both - and to support them both, in my mind, is to support... well, whatever horrible words you can think of. Israeli and Palestinian policies both are among many black marks in human history. In many ways they practically deserve each other.

Everything Israel does serves to further the Palestinian cause and everything the Palestinians do helps Israeli policies. It's an endless cycle of darkness and hatred and for anyone to commit themselves to either side of it is, I think, lunacy.

I could never support a state founded on a faith shared by what was, in 1948, a minority of that territory's residents (and remains today barely 70 per cent). I could never support land confiscations, curfews, collective punishment, institutionalized racism, "Jews only" businesses and apartments, a public acceptance of hatred against identifyable groups, and I could go on and on and on. Likewise I could never support terrorist attacks, targetting civilians as opposed to the military, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.

Palestinian Muslims and Christians alike should have lives worth living, as should Israelies have lives that are safe and secure - but, the way things stand now, I could never say either side deserves it.
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I defend Israel on this forum all the time and lately it seems that I am one of the only ones. 

@Ponce de Leon - Actually, Mullah Ganstar is correct, I think Iran/Persia may someday be an ally of Israel (if Iran experiences a regime change which is an eventual possibility I think, perhaps Zoroastrianism will return to Persia/Iran as well).  He is also right when he states that Israel has a right to exist.  It is good to see another member show support for Israel.



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I am not sure if you can speak for the whole of Persin guy, but really everyone down there are looking for their own backs. Israel is setting up all these security measures and they are working. Even though they create hardships for the palestinians, even though it is unsettling for communities, it is still a better option than having suicide bombers coming at you almost every second. These "barriers" the Isrealies set up have reduced the number of suicide bombers greatly.

And Maju, can I assume that you are relating yourself to the palestinians concerning your own people in the Iberian peninsula? If so, then I understand you argument, and I know you want to reach out to them. But it is much more complicated down in Israel. We are talking about human lives at stake.
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Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

True that Israelies are making life harder for Palestinians. Making all these security checkpoints for palestinaians and creating huge travelling problems for them? But it is complicated with all the crazy bombers out there. Everyone is looking out for themselves so it seems.

You right. Israel has the right to exist. arabians took all middle east. Persia will one day help you.
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Originally posted by Dark Lord

The nonsense epithet "Aunt-Eye-See-Mite" is a catachresis - used to
slander anyone who dares criticize Yahweh's precious chosen
masterpieces. Dr. Revilo
Oliver aptly explains this, videlicet:


"In English, the term 'anti-Semitism' must mean
opposition to or antagonism toward Semites, the race now most fully
represented by the Arabs and the Arabic-speaking Semites in the Near
and Middle East. The Kikes have contrived to make the average reader
understand the word in a sense that it cannot have, if language is not
to become mere babble. If the word is used correctly, it becomes
obvious that the Yids, a hybrid race that contains some Semitic blood,
are now the most violently and viciously anti-Semitic people in the
world, since they are now engaged in an effort to liquidate the
Palestinians and eventually all the Semitic nations."




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The nonsense epithet "Aunt-Eye-See-Mite" is a catachresis - used to slander anyone who dares criticize Yahweh's precious chosen masterpieces. Dr. Revilo Oliver aptly explains this, videlicet:


"In English, the term 'anti-Semitism' must mean opposition to or antagonism toward Semites, the race now most fully represented by the Arabs and the Arabic-speaking Semites in the Near and Middle East. The Kikes have contrived to make the average reader understand the word in a sense that it cannot have, if language is not to become mere babble. If the word is used correctly, it becomes obvious that the Yids, a hybrid race that contains some Semitic blood, are now the most violently and viciously anti-Semitic people in the world, since they are now engaged in an effort to liquidate the Palestinians and eventually all the Semitic nations."




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