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Topic: French Revolution. Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 13:01 |
What I like to discuss in this post is the legacy of the French Revolution. What do you scholars think is the biggest legacy of the French Revolution. Is it liberalism, the decline of absolute monarchies, secularism. And also, do you think Napoleon was truly the "Child of the Revolution", or did he undermine it. I welcome any discussion on this matter.
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Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 13:14 |
I beleive nationalism was by far the biggest effect. Its so powerfull it still factors into our lives and the entire mindset of many peoples is changed.
As for Napoleon, definately an underminer of the revolution, and a waste of miliary genious.
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Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 13:35 |
Napoleon did provide France with the tenacious Napoleonic Code and Concordat which established the secularization of the French state.
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Posted: 13-Nov-2004 at 10:28 |
What do you think was the major cause of the French Revolution? Where are a number of possible choices and my choice:
1. France's dire financial situation that was provoked by the 7 Years war and through supporting the American Revolution.
2. The Influence of the American Revolution and the enlightenment thinkers.
3. The lavish spending of Louis XIV and the Kings before him.
4. The discontent of the nobility.
I hope I am not forgetting any but I would have to say that it was France's financial adversity that provoked the Revolutionaries. It is without question that if your people cannot feed one another, they will revolt. Remember Marie Antionette's famous line: "well let them have cake." Also I think the economic uncertainty lead to the discontent of the nobility, which created interest in the enlightenment thinkers.
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Posted: 23-Nov-2004 at 17:59 |
Fact or exaggeration? The French revolution changed the course of history more so than any other single event.
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Posted: 23-Nov-2004 at 18:10 |
Influence on the Latin America Independence.
I do not believe it's an exageration to state that the French Revolution had a great impact at World Wide History.
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Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 17:36 |
The French Revolution probably changed European society more than any other single event. Without it European may never have become such a prosperous and modern society.
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Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 17:57 |
Originally posted by Winterhaze13
Fact or exaggeration? The French revolution changed the course of history more so than any other single event.
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Exaggeration. More than sliced bread? More than electricity? More than fire?
Good question but it's too broad a statement to deal with as it stands.
Limit it perhaps to European history? More than anything in Greece or Rome? Perhaps since the 10th century. More than the birth of Henry the Navigator?
I still think you need to set parameters on the question - yes it was an important event - relative to??? - but cannot stand alone.
On the other questions - it's been a while since I read up on the period - I'll need a refresher.
Let's see...
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Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 18:50 |
I think the French Revolution is one of the most important social and political events in history. Just imagine if one of the most powerful nations in the world today overthrew its government and eventually went on a 25 year bid for world hegemony. The world afterwards was so radically different, the Americas got their independence, America was much larger, nationalism came about to affect the course of society ever since, secularization and republican values were brought to the forefront of world politics, and the list goes on and on. I would say that the French Revolution is just as, if not more important than, the World Wars this century.
I would say that you can't really understand European history to any great extent without having a decent knowledge of the French revolution.
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Posted: 26-Nov-2004 at 13:50 |
Definately nationalism was the biggest influence of the French Revolution. After the revolution, other peoples began to take pride in their countries, and rebelled against their overlords (ex, Spanish America, Italy, Poland, Greece, etc)
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 12:34 |
The French Revolution transformd European society more so than any other event. Consider that it lead to the formation of modern states in Europe through liberalism, it lead to German and Italian nationalism and likely did the most to spread socialism in Europe. Can anyone think of any other influences?
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Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 17:52 |
Did Napoleon promote the ideas of the French revolution or did he undermine them and why?
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Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 11:28 |
What do you think is the most important legacy of the French Revolution?
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Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 10:40 |
France in 1789 was in bankruptcy, the people were hungry and now discontent with living under an absolute monarchy, the revolution was inevitable by that time. The greatest legacy must be its liberal ideas which Napoleon helped spread during his occupations during the Napoleonic wars. However, I feel Napoleon was foolish in his belief that those ideas would have to be imposed through military force.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 17:46 |
What would Europe look like if not for the French Revolution? Also, would you say that the French Revolution never reached its full potential in its day? If not, did the events following it amount to more?
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Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 21:01 |
I would tend to think Napoleon believed in the enlightenment ideals of meritocracy and religious tolerance, but his primary aim was to achieve French domination of the world.
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Posted: 11-Dec-2004 at 19:11 |
There is an element of hypocracy around the Napoleonic wars. The ideas of liberty and equality were imposed on the people in French occupied regions. Although, the Frech built strong bureaucracies in Italy and Germany including Piedmont-Sardinia. Europe probably advanced a full century in the amount of time Napoleon was ruler of France. Even if the occupation was seen as repressive and hostile.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2005 at 18:20 |
Originally posted by Imperatore Dario I
Definately nationalism was
the biggest influence of the French Revolution. After the revolution,
other peoples began to take pride in their countries, and rebelled
against their overlords (ex, Spanish America, Italy, Poland, Greece,
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I don't think you understand the birth of
nationalism. French revolution did not create nationalism. Reaction to French
empire did. First, all subjects of feudal states in Europe looked positively
at French smashing status quo, then they realized French could be as good
oppressors as any and raised against them. True birth of nationalism can be
traced to the Spring of Peoples (1848), but revolts against Napoleon in
places like Spain and Italy can be considered as a role models.
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Posted: 11-Jan-2005 at 21:11 |
I do believe the French Revolution sparked some rather interesting influences,but it did not change European Society more so than any other.Think about the people before them.Spain with its imperialism,Rome with its foundation of a civilized nation,Greece with its democracy,and of course,how can we forget,without the British,there would be no United States.The French can also contribute to the list of the many new ideals that came to mind during that time,and the past.
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Posted: 11-Jan-2005 at 21:17 |
Speaking of French Revolution,The History Channel is presenting a special two-hour documentary/reanactment of the French Revolution on January 17th,at 8:00 pm.
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