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    Posted: 10-Feb-2007 at 04:10
Yeah, Zaitsev, your anwers were great. How about this one:
 
"The Kurds CANNOT govern themselves. It's a simple fact."
 
 
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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"How about, "NO","
 
Zagros, in Kordestan province, they would separate. Don't be too naive and confident.
 
Remember, they are Sunnis and Kurds.
 
Every time, the huge riots are there. That's the most unstable place in Iran. Also some parts of West Azeristan.


Edited by Cent - 10-Feb-2007 at 04:15
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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The separatist feeling is under ice at the moment.
 
Believe me, if Kordestan could choose, they would go to their brothers in Northern Iraq.
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Feb-2007 at 04:58
Cent, is your english limited? That seems to be the only sentence you can understand.
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ok guys cool it down.

if you disagree, then agree to disagree and move on.


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It's not that we disagree, I can accept disagreement. It's the fact that, no matter how many times I have carefully and calmly explain what I said, he can't get past one line.
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Well, that very line explains your mentality.
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Feb-2007 at 05:34
Yes it does. You've just misinterpretted as "The Kurds are not capable of doing so" when the clear meaning, as I have explained, is "The Kurds will not be able to do so due to the political situation."
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how about this stop right now?

it does nothing for the thread, the question and for anyone reading it
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Originally posted by Leonidas

if they don't want to be independent in the case of Iran (outside some kordistan sunni's ). i would say  Iran is almost outside that question. 

Correct me if i'm wrong, the west side of Iran has various  Kurdish people and related/similar luris and bakhtaria's with intermediate groups all in between so the ethnic lines are not so deep or wide as they are on the Arab side. Without such well defined lines of (us vs. them) there isnt the same environment as other countries.

persian chicks are also well regarded zagrosThumbs%20Up
 
They're high on my list, going from the ones I've met.
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Originally posted by Zaitsev

It's not that we disagree, I can accept disagreement. It's the fact that, no matter how many times I have carefully and calmly explain what I said, he can't get past one line.
 
Then you were somewhat ill-advised to produce it, weren't you?
 
Come up with an outrageous statement like that and you can't expect people to overlook it.
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GCLE you're hardly one to talk about outrageous lines, especially considering neither of the last two posts you made can rate above "spam". I will not continue this pointless debate with you, and FYI the "outrageous line" was meant to provoke queries, which I answered. Some people don't like the answers.
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Originally posted by gcle2003

Originally posted by Zaitsev

It's not that we disagree, I can accept disagreement. It's the fact that, no matter how many times I have carefully and calmly explain what I said, he can't get past one line.
 
Then you were somewhat ill-advised to produce it, weren't you?
 
Come up with an outrageous statement like that and you can't expect people to overlook it.
 
well, if you want to have a debate that aims to promote the good, then you can expect people not to stick to one sentence, but open to all, in my humble opinion.


Edited by TheDiplomat - 10-Feb-2007 at 06:00
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Let's all cool down a bit.

They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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At this point, I completely agree with you Cent
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Originally posted by Cent

"How about, "NO","


Zagros, in Kordestan province, they would separate. Don't be too naive and confident.


Remember, they are Sunnis and Kurds.


Every time, the huge riots are there. That's the most unstable place in Iran. Also some parts of West Azeristan.


Kordestan province is just one part of Iranian Kurdistan, you can't selectively set referendums for areas you think will or will not separate, if it's a referendum it is for all of Iranian Kurdistan, not just for Kordestan.
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It's so easy to become a Turk, just disagree with hyper-natonalists like Cent and your already there

Zaitsev your now an honorary Turk LOL join the club
 
 
 
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What about you Bulldog? Wouldn't you like to be a Turk? Then just be. From now on. You' re a Turk too. Cut that "British" stuff.
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As for the topic.
 
 
If It gives the Kurdish people healthy life. If It makes their conditions better. Why not? But does it really?
 
 
The first post in this thread looks wonderful indeed. Secular-Minded Kurds in Democratic Kurdistan in the Middle east. Just like what the Turkish politician Mehmet Agar says: It wouldn't actually be a problem for Turkey If a secular and democratic Kurdistan existed between Turkey and the Middle east. And Turkey would be the first to help and protect such a country from the Arabs and the Iranians. In fact If you look at the region with a neutral perspective you see that It's Turkey again that helps Northern Iraq to improve the conditions.
 
However...
 
Democracy. Human Rights. Secularism etc. These things are for highly advanced socities. We all know the Kurdish people are very poor agricultural people who live in their feodal conditions. Therefore before talking about a Kurdish state. Let's talk about the problems of the Kurdish people. Let's talk about Kurdish tribal life style. The clan system. The Honour killings. The marriage system called Berdel. And so on.
 
What I want to say is that let's talk about the real problems of the people.     
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And Turkey would be the first to help and protect such a country from the Arabs and the Iranians.

You mean it would be the first trying to control it.
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