Combining all Turkic languages into a sin

or translate my english homework.

Edited by Mortaza - 06-Apr-2007 at 13:52

kukkuger:G�k(mavi) g�vercin g�kte oynar,g�lgesi ... oynar

Well as you see Eget�rk you could understand while reading, But you cant understand while listening.

uzbek alphabet is different latin...i heard that it contain american linguists adittion as culturel reflection of usa-uzbek relations...i do not really know why they write uzbekistan like O'zbekiston...and pronounciation change too of course like that...This is the most importat probleme betwenn T�rkiye T�rk and Uzbeki T�rk

Edited by EGET�RK - 06-Apr-2007 at 15:06

Originally posted by Bulldog Nogay Dede keeping it real    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdMiG6UjygY

Originally posted by DerDoc Timur placed much of legitimacy to rule on his family ties with Genghis Khan's family. After marrying one of his distant descendants, he adopted the Persian title "Gurk�n", which is derived from Mongolian "kurug�n" meaning "son-in-law".

How is Gurkan (G�rkan in Turkish) a Persian title while his origins are Mongolian?

But G�rk�n makes a sense in Turkish. G�r Kan, can be translated as "dense blood" in Turkish, which means that G�rkan can be Turkish, linguistically.

Originally posted by The Hidden Face But G�rk�n makes a sense in Turkish. G�r Kan, can be translated as "dense blood" in Turkish, which means that G�rkan can be Turkish, linguistically. Check your sources once more, Derdoc.

This is explanation of G�rkan by TDK and this is of G�rhan (tought they where the same but they arent).

Originally posted by DayI I wonder whats modern anatolian Turkish if its not Chagatay? Karluk? Kipchak?

Modern Anatolian Turkish is a branch of the Oghuz Turkic languages, with strong Non-Turkic influence, pointing toward the Non-Turkish origin of the Turcophone population. Anatolian Turkish - as the only Turkic language - lacks the use of typical Turkic souds ([x] & [q] for example), and replaces them - just like Zaza and Balouch - with "h" and "k".

It's not coincidence or whatever you might call it, if that name was Persian or Persianized name then why is the meaning of that name the same as in Turkic (brave, fearless) and NOT the one you've explained?

The meaning of "Bah�dur" in Persian is not "brave", it means "noble" and was usually given to princes, especially in the Indo-Persian world of the Mughals. But it is undisputed among scholars that the actual origin of the word is the Turko-Mongolian military title "Baghatur". The Persians adopted the name, but change it into a moder Persian name. Fact is that "Bah�dur" was not used in Persian before the arrival of Altayic invaders. Modern websites and sources now use the original Altayic meaning of the word when explaining "Bah�dur". But the meaning in Persian is not "brave", it's "noble". The name of the former Afghan royal family, "Durr�ni", has the same Persian root ("dur" = "pearl"; "Durr�ni" = "pearle-like", "noble"). After creating Afghanistan, the Pashtun Abd�li clan adopted the new name, symbolizing their newly achieved nobility. "Durr�ni" has a pure Persian origin, "Bah�dur" is Turko-Mongolian.

When was that title used in Iran? After the Turks came in Iran. The Persian H�n (khana) has different meaning then Khan as you've explained self.

The title "Kh�n" - as a tribal chief or head of the family - was already used in Persia before the invading East Asian nomads. However, it has no political or military meaning in Persian. The highest military title was "spahbud", a soldier was a "sarb�z", a general was sometiomes called "sard�r" (the last two containing the word "sar", "head"). The title "Tarkhan" was used in Persian and in Sogdian way before the Turks arrived in Iran. One of B�bak's allies and close frieds in the "Khurr�miyyah" movement of Azarbaijan was "Tarkh�n" - but a Turkic origin of the person is totally impossible, since the Khurr�miyyah movement was a strict, Zoroastrian, anti-Turkic and anti-Arab Persian nationalist  alliance.  The  name "Tarkh�n" is also used by Ferdowsi in the Sh�hn�ma, evidently having an Avestan origin. The similarity to the Mongolian military title "Tarkh�n" is pure coincidence.

Another good example is the word "Pasha" (in Ottoman Turkish). It could be either derived from the Persian royal title "P�dsh�h" ("king") or from the Turkish word "bas" ("head"). If it is really taken from the Turkic "Bas" (maybe through "Bas aqa", as suggested by some), then the similarity - both in pronounciation and meaning - to the Persian "P�dsh�h" is pure coincidence.


Edited by DerDoc - 07-Apr-2007 at 09:00

Originally posted by Bulldog Bahadur name does not mean beautiful pearl in Persian it means "Brave Bold", just like it does in all the other languages which borrowed it from Turkic its not some wild coincidence.

This is so funny, Bulldog. Because only 2 days ago, you told me not to talk about Turkishbecause "I do not speak Turkish". And now, you want to explain to me the meaning of "Bah�dur" although you do not even understand a word Persian?!

No. Just because it doesnt have those letters doesnt mean it doesnt have the sounds.   Korkut is actually pronounced Qorqut Kes is pronounced Kes

Modern Anatolian Turkish does not have [q] or [x]. That's why they say "haber" instead of the correct Arabic "xabar" ([x] = [kh]), and why the say "horasan" instead of the correct Persian "xor�s�n". They say "han" instead of the correct "x�n" and "hakan" instead of the correct "x�q�n".