Albanians in Kosovo

And of course, if I would actually use this in an attempt to make some point (you all know what I am alluding to) - which is the last thing on my mind (or to get a better impression, not even the last) - I'd be definitely with an anti-Albanian sentiment.

Its not the only one, in the Albanian Epic Poem, The Highland Lute, a battle is described between the Turks and the Albanians. When the Albanians win, the subsequent slaughter is portrayed as so great as if it was a slaughter of "Shkja", the Albanian pejorative for Serbs. When scene from the time period inwhich it was written, what George Fishta(The Catholic priest who wrote it) is saying become understandable since it occurred in the aftermath of the Serbian re-entry in Kosovo, the usurpation of Ulcin and the bloody siege of Shkoder. Nevertheless, I have never heard of people using this poem as some kind of model. Then again, the poem was heavily repressed by the communists.

Things look so different through other windows. When the Albanian loots or burns a Slav village, his act, in the eyes of Europe, is ´an atrocity.´ Seen through Albanian glasses it is quite another color.

In another part of the story, we hear of Durham having a conversation with a Serbian family. The male states that Albanians are a big trouble, but then finishes by adding, with a smirk, that he has killed a lot of them. These kinds of anecdotes are all over and I understand the context of both. Albanians and Serbs would continually raid the houses of one another in the border with Montenegro.

Albanians in northern Albania today see this past bloodshed through the perspective of "quarreling brothers"

Edited by Theodore Felix - 31-Jul-2008 at 23:48

Originally posted by Theodore Felix and does not present then's "evil genes" of the Montenegrins & Serbs as that writer would try to present Nobody is talking about genes, Im talking about it from the development of extremist nationalism that was reborn at the end of Yugoslavia, especially seen among commanders, of Montenegrin origin themselves, who took part in the bloodiest field of the war: Bosnia. There a parallelism that lies between the poems and the recent events that cannot be missed. The other poem I posted is from Jovan Cvijić, called 'The Dinaric Man'. It was printed a number of years prior to the Serbian re-entry.

Well, I am sure that there is no real reason in their (Radovan Karadzic, Slobodan Milosevic, Zeljko Raznatovic "Arkan", Veselin Sljivancanin,...) Montenegrin origin (there I was referring to the genes), nor that epic poems actually made all of them the war criminals they were, the case seems to be only with Radovan Karadzic, who indeed is a poet, and grew up on epic poetry. Of course I see the obvious connection, however it is not the epic's fault (  ) that a man like Radovan Karadzic became that which he is, so that we should think that Njegos should've never written the Mountain Wreathe or nothing of it occurred, in hope that in the Yugoslav wars it would not resurge. I do really think that the connection can be made only in Rasho's case.

I must say that I am puzzled by this, Theodore. I was convinced that I read most things Jovan Cvijic wrote, and I have no memory of it whatsoever - nor does Google show it at all. Actually, Jovan Cvijic was no poet at all, so it would shock me to hear that he actually wrote a poem at all. Are you sure about that Felix?

P.S. Did anybody notice this save for me: Montenegrins pretty much took part in the 1990s, all major evil dudes were ethnic Montenegrins, all those that led Serbia, Montenegro AND the Serb Republic, and we see even the Montenegrin-made epic as raised in here - and yet Montenegro was removed from the Bosnian Genocide verdict in the end according to the wishes of the judges and it has an unnaturally huge appeal at the west, with its quite fishy quasi-dictatorship watched nice upon and all the benefits given to it, even despite some of the war criminals were actually hiding in it.

What's the case?

For the Dinaric man to kill many Turks means not only to avenge his ancestors but also to ease their pains which he himself feels."

http://www.njegos.org/orthodoxy/kosovo.htm

This differs a big from my other quote so it might not be the same one. I believe it might have been a prose work.

Edited by Theodore Felix - 01-Aug-2008 at 00:01

Originally posted by Theodore Felix For the Dinaric man to kill many Turks means not only to avenge his ancestors but also to ease their pains which he himself feels." http://www.njegos.org/orthodoxy/kosovo.htm This differs a big from my other quote so it might not be the same one. I believe it might have been a prose work.

Originally posted by Theodore Felix Albanians and Serbs would continually raid the houses of one another in the border with Montenegro.

In a way, I'd tend to disagree. There's always a good side, but the problem is that we remember only the bad things (whoever we are).

In fact, after long investigations of Serbo-Albanian relations in centuries, I've found much, much more good things than bad - and I have discovered that actually, most of the people are completely unaware of them (probably even you).

Ever heard of Marko Miljanov Popovic?

Ever heard of Marko Miljanov Popovic?

Yea, he was part Albanian. In Albanian tradition he is viewed as a sort of "lost brother" but nevertheless perceived as an enemy. Same with clans like the Kuci.

Edited by Theodore Felix - 01-Aug-2008 at 00:15

He was almost continually at war with Muslim Albs and as I have said before, this querilling today is seen as a sort of brotherly thing.

Is that what they teach in KLA school? I don't doubt the Serbs who had been opressed by muslims for hundreds of years looked kindly upon the Albanians in any favorable manner but the story you are spinning reaks.

What the hell does your quote prove? None of it talks about the Serbian re-entry into Kosovo just pieces from WWI. Did you know that during WWI there were a large group of Albanian volunteers in the Serbian force against the Bulgarians? Or that there were just as many Partisan Albanians as there were SS Skanderbeg members?

It does to show that you dont read anything other then what confirms your biased opinions. You seem to have some need to yap off even when you dont know what your talking about, you disregard any evidence others bring as "BS" or 'propaganda' as if your somehow the resident professor at this forum. All you show is just how much of a chauvinist you are. Not just in front of me but with nearly every person you have discussed with.



Edited by Theodore Felix - 01-Aug-2008 at 00:26

Sorry but if bringing up the skewed version of history that Marko was a traitor really shows who the chauvinist is. If you want to discuss your opinion on me concerning that start a thread and for once bring an actual arguement to the table.

Marko Miljanov Popovic wrote the book "Life and Traditions of Albanians", which is actually the very first incredibly detailed work on Albanian in foreign language. It was translated to English. The Western scholars read it and described that Marko Miljanov Popovic attempted to brake the stereotypes amongst the Serbs' about the Albanians.

Did you know that in the early 17th century the Serbs and Albanians acted as one body and without a leader, yet completely organized, liberated Herzegovina, Montenegro, northern Albania and the surrounding territories? Did you know that Albanian was the term used for Serbs for Kosovo by the very Serb spiritual leaders since the end of the century and into the early 18th from time to time to honor the Albanians?

Did you know that the very first professional philosopher amongst the Serbs was an Albanian?

I'm not Theodore and i wasn't attacking him. Itt was that he accuses the Serbs in a hypocritical manner.