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Mystic
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Topic: Will China ever acquire/purchase Siberia? Posted: 21-Jun-2005 at 03:33 |
AS far I as know, Siberia belongs to the native tribes that have been
living there for centuries. It's not rightfully claimed by anyone, not
the Chinese nor the Russians but sadly since the tribes are so weak and
backward now, it's virtually up for grabs based on the most powerful
neighbor. Now that China is stronger and her people are already
migrating there, I wouldn't be surprised if they soon became the
majority and try to claim that land. As for Siberia belonging to the
Manchus, actually they do have sort of a rightful claim to that land
since their ancestors originated there as a minor tribe but most of the
Manchus are already sinicized.
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jiangweibaoye
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Posted: 21-Jun-2005 at 12:15 |
I think that "rightful claim" argument is weak. If China can buy it, I think they should. Not because it is rightfully theirs, but they can.
It is silly to say, "well it was ours three billion years ago and it should be ours". Get real. Borders are in a constant state of flux so where do you draw the line? Everybody is going to choose that period which expands their territory.
Let that all encompassing power which controls the earth, the moon, & every other celestial body out there decide the fate of Siberia. MONEY! Always has, always will.
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Posted: 21-Jun-2005 at 15:45 |
Well then I guess China and Russia are the ones that have the strongest
claims since they are the two major powers by that region.
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Posted: 09-Jul-2005 at 07:54 |
If China begins claiming and trying to get part of former qing
territory from Russia, I don't think mongolia and vietnam would be
doing nothing.
The qing state is not a chinese state it's a manchu state populated by
han chinese. If the chinese wanted to claim any of their former
territories they wuld have to give up a lot of land since the last
chinese state was ruled by the ming.
Well, the mongols might as well claim a huge swath of the eurasian land mass as well.
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Posted: 10-Jul-2005 at 12:10 |
Come on, no nation is stupid enough to sell that big piece of land, especially when it yield one of the biggest diamond industries in the whole god damn world! And of course, Russia will never give up Bladivostok - it's only port to the Pacific ocean.
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Posted: 10-Jul-2005 at 19:12 |
There was an article in the Gaurdian about Russia last week,
apparently, in the rural areas around Vladivostok, rates of
intermarriage between Russians and Chinese is very high, mostly Chinese
men though (male migrant workers presumably).
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jiangweibaoye
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Posted: 11-Jul-2005 at 12:10 |
Nothing is impossible. They sold Alaska to the US. I would not be surprised if they sold the former Qing territories to the Chinese.
Concerning Doorman statement, yes that is true, but the the Republic of China territories included present day China and Mongolia. & the Republic of China was a "native" state.
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Posted: 11-Jul-2005 at 18:04 |
Originally posted by jiangweibaoye
Nothing is impossible. They sold Alaska
to the US. I would not be surprised if they sold the former Qing
territories to the Chinese.
Concerning Doorman statement, yes that is true, but the the Republic
of China territories included present day China and Mongolia. & the
Republic of China was a "native" state.
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If China did make such a move all the neighboring states would get very
nervous about this. Alaska was almost like a fur trading business
venture for the Russians very different than the border regions with
China. If China wants to get all those territories back then China has
to make Russia give it up (i.e. war). Even if China did succeed,
there would be such an outcry for revenge in Russia that it would be
setting up another war.
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Posted: 13-Jul-2005 at 10:33 |
Doorman,
I agree with what you are saying. It would make China's neighbors very nervous. But there is really nothing they can do about it.
Yes, the Russian would cry for revenge if that were to happen, but I don't think China would risk war with Russia over that land.
Alaska was a trading business venture but the reason why they sold it to the US was because they were flat broke, not because Alaska had no geographical value.
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Posted: 13-Jul-2005 at 19:50 |
The point is that nowadays you just don't buy land
like you used to(a la Louisiana Purchase). Even if you did
it would still belong to that country and be treated as private
property. I just don't see China buying the land and
incorporating it into their territory maybe as private chinese
owned land within Russia but expanding Chinese territory ,
no way. War would be the only means to do it or forcing the
Russians in some other way. Alaska was just a business venture,
it may had some geographical significance but it was mostly a business
driven venture , which the Sino-Russian border is not.
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Posted: 16-Jul-2005 at 06:36 |
Originally posted by jiangweibaoye
Concerning Doorman statement, yes that is true, but the the Republic of China territories included present day China and Mongolia. & the Republic of China was a "native" state. |
The ROC didn't have any control over Mongolia except for two years of military occupation (1919-1921). To say it was included in its territory is like saying German territories included East Prussia, Silesia etc. up to the 1960s. I don't think anybody would buy into that.
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Posted: 27-Jul-2005 at 13:54 |
Russia would never give up Siberia. That is simply undesputable.The Chinese are coming to Siberia and you say that at some point they will try to take it for themselves. Now that is the worst case of greed I've ever heard. So you're coming to other people's land, they give you a job, a home, etc. and in the end you want to take their land . I don't know what to say. If the Chinese are realy behaving like that then the Russian government should prohibit the immigration of more Chinese and probably kick out the ones, that are already there. Imagine the Canadians coming to the U.S.A. and after 30 years of mass immigration they say "We want Washington and 30 % of America". I advise the Chinese to forget about Siberia, because this can spark the Third World War and lead to the DESTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE! This is a price far too high for Siberia or any other land.
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Posted: 02-Aug-2005 at 17:58 |
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the OP if you are suggesting something along the lines of how the US
acquired Texas, I really doubt history is going to repeat itself.
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Posted: 02-Aug-2005 at 23:35 |
I thought China and Russia were really good friends, wasn't it just announced not to long ago that they were going to train their armies together in some sort of joint exercise?
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Posted: 04-Aug-2005 at 12:24 |
If history has taught us anything, it is that borders are in a constant state of flux.
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Posted: 04-Aug-2005 at 13:53 |
It would be best if this border doesn't change.
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Posted: 04-Aug-2005 at 14:11 |
if they could buy siberia, their population would be 2 bilion in couple of years, you know they will get more space to...
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Posted: 04-Aug-2005 at 19:01 |
it doesn't matter the rooskies use it for prison camps or if they don't any more they should, as well as for uranium mines. but the chinese couldn't really use much of it too cold for them
but allso we're the most powerfull neighbor cause of alaska why don't we take it
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Posted: 07-Aug-2005 at 07:02 |
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
Originally posted by coolstorm
The Russians gave up Alaska, and the French gave up Louisina, which would give them direct access to North America. Anything can happen.
China wants Sibera back because of its access to the sea of Japan.
The Russians might sell it because of the loss of control of Seberia especially its population which is increasingly dominated by the Chinese.
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Siberia has a dominant Mongolian and Turkic population, not Chinese.
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But with current mass imigration of the Chinese people,It will not stay Altaic!
Anayway,I prefer to see siberia,still in the Modern Scythian (Russian) hands!
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Posted: 07-Aug-2005 at 07:19 |
The chienes cann't annex the Russian Siberia.Actually they are so un-developed in military industry that they once even kissed the Israel's ass for get some weapons.
Now,it is only the Russians that provide the Chinese military needs.Do you guys think that the Russian are so stupid that they don't know whom they are equiping with their own weapon?!
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