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tadamson
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Topic: Mongol Armor? Posted: 23-Sep-2005 at 21:57 |
Originally posted by jstampfl
Here are two photos from the Mongolian National History Museum.
http://jts88.com/images/mail.jpg
http://jts88.com/images/soldieroutfit.jpg
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The leather armour is one of those donated by the film co isn't it ?
The holster quiver is wrong (only became comon under the Manchu's several hundred years after the Mongols)
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Animal Weretiger
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Posted: 23-Sep-2005 at 22:27 |
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Nice! Is that you wearing the lamellar? You look like a famous Celtic Chieftan!!! |
Yah, that's me. My actual heritage is Celtic but for the hobby I do I like the Mongol stuff way better. It's a blast learning about that history and I appreciate all the help from you folks.
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DayI
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babyblue
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Posted: 25-Sep-2005 at 02:11 |
didn't mean to be an arse...but those sneakers?
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Animal Weretiger
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Posted: 25-Sep-2005 at 22:40 |
You arent being an arse at all, those are in fact cleats. I have a foot drop which resulted from paralysis. They corrected most of my problems with surgery but they couldnt correct that. So I find when I fight outside on grass I need the cleats or else I have a world of problems. I tried my ass off to make the proper boots to cover them, but I couldnt figure out how to do the toes properly. So I did the best I could and that was to make the upper parts of the boots and put them on over top of the cleats. From a distance it looks ok. I'm not happy with the looks 100% but for now its a lot better than just the cleats alone. Since this isnt choreographed fighting there are performance issues I have to contend with as well as looking the best I can historically.
I'm in the middle with the red spear in this shot, you get a better idea of hte whole effect.
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Posted: 13-Dec-2005 at 00:23 |
from mongolian movie "Chingis Khaan"
another pic
these are real mongols in a real mongol movie
"uukhaai..."
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sinosword
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Posted: 29-Dec-2005 at 06:40 |
Originally posted by perdon
mogols are like this? I think they look like chinese!!! |
how the f**k would chinese look like that! we look like this~
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SaikhaNBayar
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Posted: 29-Dec-2005 at 10:51 |
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The 800th Anniversary of the Great Mongolian State. 2006
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poirot
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Posted: 29-Dec-2005 at 21:59 |
Originally posted by sinosword
Originally posted by perdon
mogols are like this? I think they look like chinese!!! |
how the f**k would chinese look like that! we look like this~
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The armor from Han Wu Da Di is highly inaccurate. Great series and songs, but not very accurate in terms of military uniform. Clay figurines dating from the Former Han Dynasty show that Han infantry did not have plate armor, and Former Han soldiers rarely wore metal helms that covered the head entirely. The helms shown are more indicative of the Northern Wei helms circa 500 A.D.
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Posted: 29-Dec-2005 at 23:26 |
Poirot
How about the Xiongnu uniforms, are they acccurate?
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Posted: 30-Dec-2005 at 12:20 |
The series can be ordered at the following link, It's the third one from the bottom. Even tho it's in Mandarin it's a great series. It covers his life from birth to his death.
http://us.yesasia.com/en/Search/SearchResult.aspx
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 02:57 |
these mongols look like shigatse tibetans...hehehe
chingiz looks like my dad.
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tadamson
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 07:39 |
Turkoglu,
Interesting drawing, is it from a book?
odd saddle, very late champhron and no bow, but nice active image.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 13:55 |
yes, it's from Mongol Warrior 1200-1350 (Warrior 84) by Stephen Turnbull from Osprey
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Posted: 11-Jan-2006 at 08:23 |
Originally posted by Temujin
yes, it's from Mongol Warrior 1200-1350 (Warrior 84) by Stephen Turnbull from Osprey |
ok a Wayne Reynolds drawing...
For those that are interested...
The helmets look a little to Persian.
The metal shield wouldn't be used by a fully armoured horseman, and metal shields were very rare prior to the 15th C.
The file is a modern western one - should be no tang, half round and much smaller.
The axe doesn't match any illustations or archeological examples I can think of.
The sword is a very odd shape.
There should be a large bowcase and bow at his left hip.
A box 'hourglass' quiver on his right.
The lassoo is way over scale.
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Posted: 11-Jan-2006 at 15:14 |
I disagree with the shield, in fact shields were widely used by Mongols
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Posted: 11-Jan-2006 at 20:43 |
Originally posted by Temujin
I disagree with the shield, in fact shields were widely used by Mongols |
Not by heavy cavalry though..
Illustrations of heavily armoured steppe cavalry with shields are
virtualy non exsistant. Ther are illustrations from the mid 14th
C onwards of lighter cavalry (helmet, brigantine, unarmoured horse)
using shields.
The shield combined with a long heavy sword (often called a saddle
sword as it was hung from the saddle) was one of the melee weapons used
by steppe cavalry (alternatives were a light lance used two handed, a
two handed mace, or the heavy bow with heavy arrows).
Metal shields are extreemly rare before the 15th C and were most popular in Persia.
Mongols used shields (they are in all illustrations of naval and siege
warfare) and from 1204 onwards shields were stored and issued by the
household (kessig/keshik) of each prince (well just Temuljins own in
1204)
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Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 06:50 |
According to Carpini, shields were rare, and were mostly used on guard-duty
Reynolds' drawing resembles a timurid cavalryman rather than a 13th century mongol
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Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 16:56 |
Turnbull of course isn't an authority on Mognols anyways, and the book is mediocre to say at least...
re: shields. well, Gorelik, who is the authority on Steppe archaeology (armoury & weapons) always depicts Mongols with shields, including heavy cavalry, but then, he always only shows warriors which have the hgihest possible status and the most armour & equippment possible,s till i think shields are fairly common for mongols and not uncommon for heavy cavalry, Timurs heavy cavalry and heavy cavalry of Mamelukes for example also used shields.
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