Chechnya is necessarry and justified

proposal: stop oppressing them and you'll see they don't even want to become independent any more

proposal: stop oppressing them and you'll see they don't even want to become independent any more

counterproposal: we use force against them and you stop living in a fantasy world

It seems to me that some of you seem as the force that Russia uses as justified and the Chechens as mear bandits, who have no sense or sound idea of what they are doing, but hardly so. There is no room to feel sympathy or any kind of favor towards Russia from me as they stand 146 million or so, against now heavily less than a nation of million and demand compation for the "just cause" that they feel they are comitting!!! And the way the war is fought by Russians, is horrendous - a professional army using ways of massmurder not even known in the Middle Ages.

And why is the area so important to Russia or Russians? It can't be close to their hearts as a native piece of land or feel as unjustice is done to the Russian nation if it were conquered. It also has no political importance as i feel that the idea of almost every other minority in Russia would create their own little resistance nest as some paranoid weirdos seem to delude themselves here is just blind fear or somethig of that sort. It is just the imperialistic mind of a great nation that solidly believes that losing even a foot-size piece of land would be a disgrace to the entire country. And having that happened during the 20th century numerous times, that a smaller country successfully got rid of Russian colonization, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to have it happen once again.

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Very good point dark one ! Why don't use the same logic for Poland, Baltic countries and Germany ?

Because this isn't the age of empires and we can't conquer whoever we want.

It seems to me that some of you seem as the force that Russia uses as justified and the Chechens as mear bandits, who have no sense or sound idea of what they are doing, but hardly so. There is no room to feel sympathy or any kind of favor towards Russia from me as they stand 146 million or so, against now heavily less than a nation of million and demand compation for the "just cause" that they feel they are comitting!!! And the way the war is fought by Russians, is horrendous - a professional army using ways of massmurder not even known in the Middle Ages. And why is the area so important to Russia or Russians? It can't be close to their hearts as a native piece of land or feel as unjustice is done to the Russian nation if it were conquered. It also has no political importance as i feel that the idea of almost every other minority in Russia would create their own little resistance nest as some paranoid weirdos seem to delude themselves here is just blind fear or somethig of that sort. It is just the imperialistic mind of a great nation that solidly believes that losing even a foot-size piece of land would be a disgrace to the entire country. And having that happened during the 20th century numerous times, that a smaller country successfully got rid of Russian colonization, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to have it happen once again.

This century we lsot land twice (as far as Im aware off and not including hte islands we conquered from japan and gave back to them)
1905 to Japan: Almsot caused revolution, much civil strife
1918 To Central Powers and later nations just seceded: Revolution, Civil war, bolshevik rule
 Also the others will seceed if Chechnya is allowed to, any even half educated man in Russia knows this. About the torture I could care less about what happens to Kamaz Othodov and Parad Urodov in Chechnya if they take schools and theatres hostage(the names are fake, they sound like Chechen names and yet one of them means "truck of garbage" and the other "parade of rejects" they are used by Russian media when talking about Chechenyans)

Well, i hope that prophecy of Johar Dudayev will be fulfilled. He said that war in Chechenya wil ltake 50 years and when it will end Russia wil lbe small, weak and tiny country. Thats what for did agressor's and massmurderer's deserved.

Edited by Mosquito

Originally posted by Genghis Originally posted by Tobodai thats a very good point, most of these civil issues could be solved if people stopped forcing their domestic agendas on people. Yes, their domestic agendas like secularism as opposed to Muslim fundamentalism.  As a libertarian, I'd expect you to support the Russians against such religious wackos.

 

But I do support the Russians, Im mrerely saying that if the Russians allowed them a greater amount of domestic autonomy this problem would be lessened, of course as victors the Russians would not or should not allow full domestic autonomy, merely enought that is necessary to get large amounts of Cechen support to go home, the hardcore fighters cant be appeased, and thus they will probably die or be forced to flee, as it should be.

 Yes. After all we are a diverse nation, housing voer 60 ethnicities.

Chechnya reminds me Chiapas.
Not in the scale faced in Rusia.
I do see a point from Dark one. It is true that giving up on Chechnya could unleash a serie of secessions.

Mixcoatl did a good point too.
The regions could be part of Russia, but lifting the central impossitions and allowing regional autonomies.
Like in Spain.

Regards

Edited by Jalisco Lancer

Originally posted by dark one I'd have to say that a series of secessions would hur tus, quite a lot.

They do not care dark one.  They are determined to do the "humane" thing and let these child murderers and Wahabists have their own country.  Regardless of the fact that another Time of Troubles would be far from humane for any group one can think of.

Chechnia would be boarding Russia still, it would not really boarder European countries...